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Did David Ortiz out himself as a PED user?

Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:32 pm
As some know, Ortiz went on a rant via Jeter's new outlet for athletes to discuss topics of interest to them. However, did he out himself as a PED user?
What Ortiz said, "In some people’s minds, I will always be considered a cheater. And that’s bulls***. Mark my words: Nobody in MLB history has been tested for PEDs more than me. You know how many times I’ve been tested since 2004? More than 80. They say these tests are random. If it’s really random, I should start playing the damn lottery. Some people still think the testing is a joke. It’s no joke. Ten times a season these guys come into the clubhouse or my home with their briefcases. I have never failed a single one of those tests and I never will."

Now MLB rules:
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Under the Joint Drug Agreement, all players are, at the outset anyway, tested twice a year. According to Section 3(A) of the JDA, your urine is tested (a) once in spring training; and (b) once randomly during the regular season.

In addition to those mandatory drug tests for all players, there are additional random ones set forth in section 3(A)(2). Specifically, (a) 3,200 urine specimen collections of randomly-selected players at unannounced times in-season; and (b) 350 urine specimen collections at unannounced times during each off-season.

So, what that means is 2-3 and, if you’re unlucky, four drug tests a year. Plus the new HGH blood tests, which happen once a year for all players, in spring training.


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He claims he’s been tested 80 times in the decade or so there has been drug testing. That’s an awful lot of testing, especially when you consider that the blood testing just started last year. And that, until last year, the number of in-season random tests was less than half of what it is now. Given that a player not “in the program” gets, at most, four tests a year and more likely 2-3 (less before last year), what possible basis could there be for Ortiz to be tested as often as he claims he has been other than a previous positive test?

“But wait!” I hear you claiming, “He’s all but admitted that he is on the list of players who tested positive in the 2003 survey testing, so this isn’t news.” True, but no players were put in “the program” as a result of the 2003 survey tests. Indeed, the very existence of the 2003 survey testing was premised on their being no discipline for anyone at all. That’s why it was called survey testing. And, at any rate, the rules for stepped-up testing weren’t even written yet by then. No, to be “in the program,” Ortiz would have had to have another positive drug test, after the survey testing began.

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Either Ortiz is grossly exaggerating how often he has been tested — possibly by a factor three or four — or Ortiz is telling the truth, he has been tested as often as he claims and the reason for it is that he is or has been “in the program” for previous drug offenders and we just didn’t know about it.


If neither of those is the case there is a third possibility, I guess: that Ortiz is being singled out by MLB for multiple times more testing than anyone else. If so, he should call his union rep immediately and file a grievance rather than spending his time writing editorials about how ho-hum all of this stepped-up drug testing he has been subjected to really is.



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Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:50 pm to
No
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:51 pm to
everyone knows he's a juicer



Posted by ClientNumber9
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:54 pm to
Oh, look. A Yankees fan accusing Ortiz of using PEDs.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:55 pm to
You're just a bitter Yankee fan. Papi is clean. The best DH of all time, and a sure fire hall of famer.


Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:55 pm to
I don't need to accuse him, he has already had his name linked. He is either admitting to failing a previous test with his comments or over exaggerating, take your pick.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:57 pm to
Has he ever been suspended? No? Then I'm guessing he was probably just exaggerating the number of times he's been tested.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:59 pm to
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Has he ever been suspended
Doesn't matter, until recently a player was not suspended for his first offense only required to go to counseling and then subject to more test.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:12 pm to
They are all on roids

Let them be.

#legalizeit
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:14 pm to
I am pretty sure he has already failed a test.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:20 pm to
based on his admission of 80 times a year it would indicate he failed at least once before automatic suspensions.
I mean ARod has never failed, Palmmeiro had never failed.... I am sure every player in late 90's/early 2000's used something banned. It would suck to find out if Jeter/Rivera used but it wouldn't "surprise" all that much either.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:28 pm to
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I am pretty sure he has already failed a test.


I'm pretty sure he hasn't.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:56 pm to
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quote: Has he ever been suspended Doesn't matter, until recently a player was not suspended for his first offense only required to go to counseling and then subject to more test.


10 game suspensions for first time offenses started in 2004.
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:01 pm to
No doubt he used..
Posted by lsu480
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:02 pm to
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based on his admission of 80 times a year



First of all he never said this. He also goes on to explain why he thinks he is tested more than other players. Maybe you just read the articles quickly but you should read them again.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:04 pm to
From the article....
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True, but no players were put in “the program” as a result of the 2003 survey tests. Indeed, the very existence of the 2003 survey testing was premised on their being no discipline for anyone at all. That’s why it was called survey testing. And, at any rate, the rules for stepped-up testing weren’t even written yet by then. No, to be “in the program,” Ortiz would have had to have another positive drug test, after the survey testing began.


and 2004 is false....
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Jan. 13, 2005: During a quarterly owners' meeting in Scottsdale, Ariz., the owners vote unanimously to accept recently concluded negotiations between MLB and the union strengthening the drug program. The new punitive measures for Major Leaguers are a 10-day suspension for the first positive test, 30 days for the second, 60 days for the third, and one year for the fourth. All without pay. On the first positive, the players name is released to the public. The program is separated from the Basic Agreement, which expires on Dec. 19, 2006, and is extended until 2008.


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didn't you claim to play minor league ball? or am I thinking of someone else?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:06 pm to
more than 80 since 04.... my bad, I read that one wrong
Every player uses the "GNC must have sold me something excuse" I mean hell ARod and others have used it
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 6:08 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:09 pm to
Ya so less than 8 a year which isnt that crazy since they can get extra random tests. Statistically it isn't likely which is why he said he feels targeted.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:12 pm to
He has averaged more per year than a regular player, if he feels he is being targeted he should contact his union rep. Anyone in their right mind should, I personally think it is because of a failed test prior to when testing became more stringent and a combination of over-exaggeration.
Of course he is Ortiz and he isn't afraid of letting people know what he thinks even if he doesn't actually have a point sometimes.
Posted by Apache
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:12 pm to
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Did David Ortiz out himself as a PED user?


Nope.
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