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German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:38 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:38 am
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A second-tier German professional basketball team has been relegated to an even lower tier as a result of being penalized for starting a recent game late—because the Windows laptop that powered the scoreboard required 17 minutes to perform system updates.
The March 13 match between the Chemnitz Niners and the Paderborn Baskets was set to begin normally, when Paderborn (the host) connected its laptop to the scoreboard in the 90 minutes leading up to the game.
In an interview with the German newspaper, Die Zeit (Google Translate), Patrick Seidel, the general manager of Paderborn Baskets said that at 6:00pm, an hour and a half before the scheduled start time, the laptop was connected "as usual."
"But as both teams warmed up, the computer crashed," he said. "When we booted it again at 7:20pm, it started automatically downloading updates. But we did not initiate anything."
After all the updates were installed, Paderborn was ready to start the game at 7:55pm.
By the end of the match, Paderborn won 69-62. But then Chemnitz formally protested, saying that because Paderborn had delayed the start time of the match by 25 minutes (instead of the 15-minute maximum as allowed under the German basketball rules), they should be penalized.
Paderborn general manager: "This entire issue has nothing to do with sports."
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:57 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:29 am to Street Hawk
Oh, how a don't miss Windows.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:15 am to Scoop
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Oh, how a don't miss Windows.
At least it has autocorrect
Posted on 3/27/15 at 10:32 am to Street Hawk
Yea, because there's obviously no way to delay Windows updates. 
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:46 am to davesdawgs
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It's a second (now third) tier German basketball club. Most of the players are probably not even professionals, i.e. they have jobs. They practice in the gym of a high school.
Of course they don't have IT. They don't even own the arena they play in. The guy with the laptop is likely a volunteer who connects his home laptop to the VGA cable of the scoreboard.
EDIT: The US is uniquely sports obsessed. Germany isn't. And basketball is a fringe sport. Lots of high schools in the US have better training facilities than even some first league basketball clubs in Germany. The Paderborn Baskets - who are actually called Finke Baskets after their sponsor, a local furniture store! - are about as well-funded and equipped as an American high school team somewhere in Kansas.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:54 am to davesdawgs
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Yea, because there's obviously no way to delay Windows updates.
There is no obvious way for the average user. I walk into the office and Windows autoupdates my chit all the time. And I'm looking at a restart.
On my Macs Apple always asks me first
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:45 pm to TigerGman
By default, Windows automatically downloads and installs updates. It's very easy to change this setting.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:17 pm to GFaceKillah
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By default, Windows automatically downloads and installs updates. It's very easy to change this setting.
Of course but the problem is that it IS the default setting. And most consumers won't fiddle with the default settings.
The default setting on a Mac is to ask.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:22 pm to GFaceKillah
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By default, Windows automatically downloads and installs updates. It's very easy to change this setting.
Oh, so you're saying all he had to do when he saw the "Installing Updates; Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" screen he encountered for 17 minutes when he turned the crashed computer back on was invent a time machine and go back and change the setting?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:47 pm to efrad
No, I'm not saying a time machine was necessary.
All he had to do was change the setting before using the computer for something important.
Of the countless times he had to wait to use the computer while it installed updates, you would think he had the sense to change the setting at some point.
But it would have been cool if he did invent a time machine. That's probably an easier fix.
ETA: I think the story is funny, but to use it as some way to claim superiority is ridiculous.
All he had to do was change the setting before using the computer for something important.
Of the countless times he had to wait to use the computer while it installed updates, you would think he had the sense to change the setting at some point.
But it would have been cool if he did invent a time machine. That's probably an easier fix.
ETA: I think the story is funny, but to use it as some way to claim superiority is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:35 pm to Street Hawk
Funny - but any team that can attract a crowd (see the pic in the link) should have better IT support than that without relying on random volunteers.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 10:24 pm to GFaceKillah
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All he had to do was change the setting before using the computer for something important.
Of the countless times he had to wait to use the computer while it installed updates, you would think he had the sense to change the setting at some point.
Most end users don't think to do this. Having a setting turned on by default that could potentially lock you out of your computer for more than a minute or two without asking is just plain poor design.
The recent 800MB Windows 8.1 update can take like 45+ mins to install on cheap-arse laptops running on those shitty low power AMD CPUs.
I wouldn't use this as a way to claim that the Mac is awesome or better. Being able to turn on and use your computer should be a basic function, not a bragging right.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:26 pm to efrad
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Having a setting turned on by default that could potentially lock you out of your computer for more than a minute or two without asking is just plain poor design.
What if your computer didn't automatically update virus definitions? It could be exploited and rendered unusable without asking for a lot longer than two minutes. That is just plain poor design.
For the record. I use Windows 8.1 and don't have automatic updates turned on.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:57 pm to GFaceKillah
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What if your computer didn't automatically update virus definitions? It could be exploited and rendered unusable without asking for a lot longer than two minutes. That is just plain poor design.
We're not talking about virus definitions so why does that matter?
All the computer has to do is say "Hey, there are updates, would you like to install right now?" If you don't install the updates and leave your computer vulnerable, that's your own problem.
It's that simple.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:18 am to efrad
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We're not talking about virus definitions so why does that matter?
Because virus definition updates are part of automatic updates.
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All the computer has to do is say "Hey, there are updates, would you like to install right now?"
My computer already does this.
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If you don't install the updates and leave your computer vulnerable, that's your own problem.
And if you don't spend any time customizing your computer, then having it install updates automatically is also your own problem.
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It's that simple.
No, the simple fact is that there is an argument for automatic updates and there is an argument against them.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:25 am to GFaceKillah
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What if your computer didn't automatically update virus definitions? It could be exploited and rendered unusable without asking for a lot longer than two minutes. That is just plain poor design.
The poor design at the root of this problem is the fact that, as far as I know, Windows can't update files that are in use. Linux can perform an entire OS upgrade while the computer is in use, and then you can reboot whenever you want and it generally doesn't take any longer than a normal reboot.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:36 am to Korkstand
Wrong, the updates can be applied while the computer is in use...just don't reboot until you are ready.
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