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Kris Bryant Board: Boras still stumping for things that won't happen...
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:39 pm
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He went on Dan Patrick this morning and continues to stump for his client, Kris Bryant, to make the Cubs Opening Day roster. That, in all likelihood, won't happen.
And Boras isn't wrong. Kris Bryant has earned the right to start and there are lesser players with less time that will make the Opening Day roster on the Cubs. But those players aren't Kris Bryant.
However, Boras is a hypocrite. Or a snake. Or, simply, an agent. I've asked myself a few times while thinking about this Kris Bryant/service time thing why the Cubs just wouldn't bring him up with the intention that in the very near future they'd extend Bryant and buy out some of his arbitration and free agent years. That would be a sensible strategy for them, something like what they did with Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo.
You would think everyone would be happy...the Cubs would get Bryant on a team friendly deal, Bryant would get more money than he's ever seen in his lifetime until his next free agent deal, and the fans would have Bryant to marvel at at Wrigley for years. The only unhappy party in this...is Boras. Because, you see, Boras preaches to his clients to get to free agency. He does not like to sign contracts before his clients reach free agency with the thinking that they'd maximize their value on the open market. What's happening here is that Scott Boras is actually forcing the Cubs to protect themselves from...Scott Boras.
No one is wrong here. Boras has long criticized this service time system. But, the players he represents agreed to this system in the CBA and that won't change until 2016. The Cubs are right, too. It's what's best for them. And they are doing absolutely nothing wrong according to the CBA. They do even have legitimate baseball reasons (defense, shoulder strain issue) to keep Bryant in AAA for the beginning of the year.
But again, they're veiling their intentions. The Cubs want to maximize their control over Bryant and Boras wants to maximize his wallet.
He went on Dan Patrick this morning and continues to stump for his client, Kris Bryant, to make the Cubs Opening Day roster. That, in all likelihood, won't happen.
And Boras isn't wrong. Kris Bryant has earned the right to start and there are lesser players with less time that will make the Opening Day roster on the Cubs. But those players aren't Kris Bryant.
However, Boras is a hypocrite. Or a snake. Or, simply, an agent. I've asked myself a few times while thinking about this Kris Bryant/service time thing why the Cubs just wouldn't bring him up with the intention that in the very near future they'd extend Bryant and buy out some of his arbitration and free agent years. That would be a sensible strategy for them, something like what they did with Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo.
You would think everyone would be happy...the Cubs would get Bryant on a team friendly deal, Bryant would get more money than he's ever seen in his lifetime until his next free agent deal, and the fans would have Bryant to marvel at at Wrigley for years. The only unhappy party in this...is Boras. Because, you see, Boras preaches to his clients to get to free agency. He does not like to sign contracts before his clients reach free agency with the thinking that they'd maximize their value on the open market. What's happening here is that Scott Boras is actually forcing the Cubs to protect themselves from...Scott Boras.
No one is wrong here. Boras has long criticized this service time system. But, the players he represents agreed to this system in the CBA and that won't change until 2016. The Cubs are right, too. It's what's best for them. And they are doing absolutely nothing wrong according to the CBA. They do even have legitimate baseball reasons (defense, shoulder strain issue) to keep Bryant in AAA for the beginning of the year.
But again, they're veiling their intentions. The Cubs want to maximize their control over Bryant and Boras wants to maximize his wallet.
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:45 pm to The Sad Banana
I respect what he's doing, it's his job after all. But i wish he'd knock off this integrity of the game/for cubs fans nonsense. He wants more/quicker money for his client and the cubs want more years of service.
As a cubs fan i don't want him starting at the major leagues and to pretend to speak for me is absurd.
As for the integrity of the game. I don't think having anyone outside of an organization making roster decisions for a team in any way adds integrity.
Also not really relevant, but lets not forget that hoyer probably unnecessarily held rizzo down for more control (at least arbitration wise (i'd be lying if I said i followed the padres but i recall there being questions about why he wasn't up yet).
As a cubs fan i don't want him starting at the major leagues and to pretend to speak for me is absurd.
As for the integrity of the game. I don't think having anyone outside of an organization making roster decisions for a team in any way adds integrity.
Also not really relevant, but lets not forget that hoyer probably unnecessarily held rizzo down for more control (at least arbitration wise (i'd be lying if I said i followed the padres but i recall there being questions about why he wasn't up yet).
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:53 pm to piggidyphish
If the roles were reversed, would Boras do the Cubs a solid? frick no.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:05 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
He's doing what's right for his client, but you can see right through his reasoning. I wish both parties would just admit the truth.
The Cubs are doing nothing wrong by holding him back until the April 17th date (or thereafter) and gaining another year of team control. But admit that.
Boras wants to maximize his take and his client's take on Bryant's next contract. He doesn't care about Cubs fans or the integrity of the game. So just admit it.
If they'd just admit it while also both saying nothing wrong at all, then the problem isn't controversial and real talk about the 2016 CBA can take place.
The Cubs are doing nothing wrong by holding him back until the April 17th date (or thereafter) and gaining another year of team control. But admit that.
Boras wants to maximize his take and his client's take on Bryant's next contract. He doesn't care about Cubs fans or the integrity of the game. So just admit it.
If they'd just admit it while also both saying nothing wrong at all, then the problem isn't controversial and real talk about the 2016 CBA can take place.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:07 pm to The Sad Banana
He's making it worse. He already spoke his piece, so he should just shut up and let the cards fall where they may.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:08 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
The Cubs are doing nothing wrong by holding him back until the April 17th date (or thereafter) and gaining another year of team control. But admit that.
Wouldn't admitting that get them in trouble with the player's union though?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:10 pm to The Sad Banana
Well you know why the cubs can't admit it, but I agree with you.
I'm just ready for him to be sent to iowa to at least move onto the teeth gnashing stage...then less than 3 weeks later when he comes up and hits a home run (and god forbid the cubs come out slow) we can have the 'see i told you so, he should've started in the majors' guys come out...and then should the cubs miss the WC2 by 3 or less games we can hear the 'well was it worth it' crowd. And I'd still say yes...it was worth it.
I'm just ready for him to be sent to iowa to at least move onto the teeth gnashing stage...then less than 3 weeks later when he comes up and hits a home run (and god forbid the cubs come out slow) we can have the 'see i told you so, he should've started in the majors' guys come out...and then should the cubs miss the WC2 by 3 or less games we can hear the 'well was it worth it' crowd. And I'd still say yes...it was worth it.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:12 pm to LSUBoo
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Wouldn't admitting that get them in trouble with the player's union though?
Yea...the party line is going to be 'position versatility' or questions about shaky defense at 3b. But his point is still valid. Everyone knows why the other wants it his way.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:17 pm to The Sad Banana
Boras is just doing his job.
The Cubs (hopefully) will do theirs and not succumb to stupid pressure as this happens every single fricking year.
Bryant and his family aren't hurting for $. I wouldn't look for a team friendly contract at all. If Bryant lives up to expectations and has one good season, with the inflation in baseball it wouldn't surprise me if he got something similar to Trout's contract for a similar amount of years.
Kris is west coast bound as soon as he is a FA just like Trout is Philly/Yankee bound.
The Cubs (hopefully) will do theirs and not succumb to stupid pressure as this happens every single fricking year.
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Bryant would get more money than he's ever seen in his lifetime until his next free agent deal,
Bryant and his family aren't hurting for $. I wouldn't look for a team friendly contract at all. If Bryant lives up to expectations and has one good season, with the inflation in baseball it wouldn't surprise me if he got something similar to Trout's contract for a similar amount of years.
Kris is west coast bound as soon as he is a FA just like Trout is Philly/Yankee bound.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:19 pm to piggidyphish
Another thing to consider is this...the Cubs know how valuable Bryant is to them. What if, God forbid, they do put him on the Opening Day roster and he gets injured for the season? They've then lost TWO season of Kris Bryant (potentially).
The players union will most probably put up a fight by them admitting the truth, Boo is right.
The players union will most probably put up a fight by them admitting the truth, Boo is right.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:19 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
Boras wants to maximize his take and his client's take on Bryant's next contract. He doesn't care about Cubs fans or the integrity of the game. So just admit it.
Boras wants Bryant to hit FA as early as possible.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:22 pm to The Sad Banana
ON a scale of 1-10, how rustled will Cub fans' jimmies be if Bryant breaks camp with the big league team due to pressure?
I'll with an 11.
I'll with an 11.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:23 pm to Moustache
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Most want him to break camp with the Cubs
Most want him to break camp with the Cubs
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:24 pm to Moustache
quote:
ON a scale of 1-10, how rustled will Cub fans' jimmies be if Bryant breaks camp with the big league team due to pressure?
I'd be beside myself with anger.
ugh...i know i know, its agent talk but
Boras when dan asked him the question of if the cubs don't have bryant on the opening day roster
quote:
Major league baseball is injured. Every fan and every opponent will look at the cubs differently
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:25 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:I want him to break camp with the Cubs, too. But I want that additional year of service way more than I want those 12 games or so.
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Most want him to break camp with the Cubs
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:26 pm to Moustache
quote:Of course...that's just another way of saying he wants his take as soon as possible.
Boras wants Bryant to hit FA as early as possible.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:28 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
I want him to break camp with the Cubs, too. But I want that additional year of service way more than I want those 12 games or so.
Yea this is kind of where i struggle to explain myself. Of course I want bryant on the team...kid is likely going to be a monster. But I don't think it serves the cubs so much better for 9 games to sacrifice a year and thus it would infuriate me to see them cave to outside pressure for so little reward.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:29 pm to piggidyphish
Is it 9 games? And that equals 12 days, right? For some reason I get those numbers all fuzzywonkus.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:31 pm to The Sad Banana
I want him up opening day.
In a league without salary caps, I don't stress over years of control or paying more money a year earlier.
Cubs still have the power to sign him up long term before he becomes a FA. And that's most likely going to happen whether he starts in Iowa or the bigs.
As a fan, give me this dude opening day and let's start an exciting season on the right foot.
In a league without salary caps, I don't stress over years of control or paying more money a year earlier.
Cubs still have the power to sign him up long term before he becomes a FA. And that's most likely going to happen whether he starts in Iowa or the bigs.
As a fan, give me this dude opening day and let's start an exciting season on the right foot.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:33 pm to Toula
quote:Scott Boras wants his clients to reach free agency as soon as possible. That's his thing.
Cubs still have the power to sign him up long term before he becomes a FA. And that's most likely going to happen whether he starts in Iowa or the bigs
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