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Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:03 am to PurpGold 14-0
Yes obviously it is somewhat of a "feeder system". And we all know that there are some schools that blatantly pay players. It's always been that way...but at least MOST schools at least try to be stealth about it.
If compensation is allowed, it's going to take CFB down a dark road. You think under the table payments are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet. At least now when a player has a new car or something it potentially raises eyebrows. In the future a kid will basically have free reign to buy anything and everything. And their only excuse will just be "it was just my stipend money". Handouts are going to be rampant. Let's also not pretend that 5, 10, maybe even 20 years after this goes into affect, superstars will start to complain. "I won a Heisman last year and I get the same amount of money as our backup punter, how fair is that?" That will turn into a war. Not to mention that schools with massive endowments/reserves/revenues will be able to pay more than schools that don't. CFB right now truly has about 30 mainstay teams that will/could/should always be nationally relevant. When money takes over it'll dwindle to about 10.
If compensation is allowed, it's going to take CFB down a dark road. You think under the table payments are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet. At least now when a player has a new car or something it potentially raises eyebrows. In the future a kid will basically have free reign to buy anything and everything. And their only excuse will just be "it was just my stipend money". Handouts are going to be rampant. Let's also not pretend that 5, 10, maybe even 20 years after this goes into affect, superstars will start to complain. "I won a Heisman last year and I get the same amount of money as our backup punter, how fair is that?" That will turn into a war. Not to mention that schools with massive endowments/reserves/revenues will be able to pay more than schools that don't. CFB right now truly has about 30 mainstay teams that will/could/should always be nationally relevant. When money takes over it'll dwindle to about 10.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:04 am to loweralabamatrojan
they didn't even bring up charges vs USC for the obvious illegal helping that Reggie Bush provided in the recruitment of Joe McKnight, which McKnight confessed during his hat ceremony.
if they want to re-open the case, add another 3 scholarships taken, starting with the 2016 class, one a year for the next three seasons, for Joe/Reggie.
First: "I want to thank Reggie Bush for his support and input during my recruitment".
Then: "I was not supposed to say that. I take that back".
words to that effect. that was his hat ceremony.
if they want to re-open the case, add another 3 scholarships taken, starting with the 2016 class, one a year for the next three seasons, for Joe/Reggie.
First: "I want to thank Reggie Bush for his support and input during my recruitment".
Then: "I was not supposed to say that. I take that back".
words to that effect. that was his hat ceremony.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:24 am to WG_Dawg
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Let's also not pretend that 5, 10, maybe even 20 years after this goes into affect, superstars will start to complain. "I won a Heisman last year and I get the same amount of money as our backup punter, how fair is that?"
Under capitalism it isn't fair. Allow them to sign endorsement deals while in college. Then the college doesn't have to pay and the players who are worth more can earn their market value.
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Not to mention that schools with massive endowments/reserves/revenues will be able to pay more than schools that don't.
Capitalism. I'm fine with it. This is why re-alignment is occurring and the major conferences are signing/reaping massive TV revenue. Big schools are sick of propping up revenue draining little brothers.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:28 am to BilJ
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I honestly don't know why the big schools still allow the NCAA to police them.
the solution to all the issues is a super division of semi-pro athletes and then everyone else in D1
ETA: Congress has to change some laws, though
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:30 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Todd McNair is about to make a lot of money
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:03 am to PurpGold 14-0
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Under capitalism it isn't fair. Allow them to sign endorsement deals while in college. Then the college doesn't have to pay and the players who are worth more can earn their market value.
Not a bad idea actually. But I doubt it would work under the omnipresent curtain of "wealth redistribution". Also, not looking for sympathy on an LSU message board. It's newsworthy and noteworthy above and beyond just USC. It's the Vandals at Rome's gate as far as the NCAA's concerned, and I don't mean Idaho's football team.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:22 am to WG_Dawg
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Especially when you consider the pattern of transgressions by clarett, tressel, pryor, and probably others I'm sure.
Nothing ever came of anything concerning Clarett and he turned out to be a loony so how do you know he wasn't just making shite up?
Tressel. Covered up and lied about it. Fired. What else was there to do?
Pryor. Sold and traded things he owned. Violation? Yes. Punishment? Meted out.
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Probably others I'm sure
Well, there's factual evidence if I've ever seen it.
I'd think you of all people considering Green and Gurley would be a bit more understanding about selling something you already own.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:36 am to WG_Dawg
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If compensation is allowed, it's going to take CFB down a dark road. You think under the table payments are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet. At least now when a player has a new car or something it potentially raises eyebrows. In the future a kid will basically have free reign to buy anything and everything. And their only excuse will just be "it was just my stipend money". Handouts are going to be rampant.
People always make this argument and it is pretty much always false. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. It is underground now because it is against the rules. If you allow players to get paid then there is nothing to hide.
If the schools pay a stipend, then it should be the same for all players. The stars would get more if you allowed them to do things other students could do freely like have jobs, sell T-shirts with their likeness, get paid by advertisers etc.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:54 am to H-Town Tiger
I understand his pain. The NCAA makes examples of people and programs who aren't blindly obedient. LSU basketball was destroyed because Lester Earl wanted to transfer to Kansas and the NCAA had a hard-on for Dale Brown. Meanwhile, Roy Williams remains unpunished no matter how many African American Studies credits his kids get.
USC was crucified because Mike Garrett flaunted how untouchable he thought they were.
USC was crucified because Mike Garrett flaunted how untouchable he thought they were.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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USC was hit a lot harder than just forfeiting games
Yes they were and all of it was standard practice. But inevitably what USC fans are butthurt about is the vacated championship which is the result of forfeiting games
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and USC had no power to make Bush cooperate
It doesn't matter what power USC had, played with ineligible player
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let's remember, USC (football) didn't actively violate rules. Bush (or his family) took benefits from a third party and was ineligible
Played with ineligible player, every school that plays with an ineligible player and was caught gets penalized, and they deal with it, USC and their fans need to deal with it also.
Besides, Reggie wasn't the only one getting benefits. Back in those days there was all kinds of chatter on USC which is why they don't get the benefit of the doubt.
In the end, $750k free house and $300k in benefits. Much more than any of these other mom and pop sanctions. It's cut and dry what the standard penalty for that is.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:37 pm to Hurricane Mike
Comparing the Bush/McNair case to the OKC bombings and fabricating evidence to frame an assistant coach in order to destroy a university's football program is more than overstepping.
That Bush and his stepdad were on the take from a rogue agent (not a USC booster) had absolutely nothing to do with what USC accomplished on the field.
That Bush and his stepdad were on the take from a rogue agent (not a USC booster) had absolutely nothing to do with what USC accomplished on the field.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 1:42 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
Rational thinking is not allowed here 
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:05 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Played with ineligible player, every school that plays with an ineligible player and was caught gets penalized, and they deal with it,
typically by a self-imposed probationary period and the forfeiting of games (if it's just an individual player and not an institutional issue)
that should have been all that USC received. they didn't. they got much, much more. that part is bullshite
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In the end, $750k free house and $300k in benefits. Much more than any of these other mom and pop sanctions.
if USC had provided these benefits, you'd have an argument. they did not, so you don't. he was ineligible. that's it
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:12 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Good for the NCAA.
FUSC
FUSC
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:26 pm to loweralabamatrojan
south central and its sanctions, its been five years and its as entertaining as it was on day one
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:33 pm to WestCoastAg
IMO...And all the West Coast teams will soon wish that the NCAA puts them back on draconian sanctions.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:59 pm to WG_Dawg
Good points. Unfortunately, it looks like that is the track laid out for this train.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 4:07 pm to Hurricane Mike
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every school that plays with an ineligible player and was caught gets penalized
Posted on 3/25/15 at 5:21 pm to WestCoastAg
I hope you've enjoyed your bruins' brief flirtation with CF relevance. That stuff is over dude. So are the snactions. The fun part now is watching the dissolution of NCAA control over the sport.
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