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Documentary: "League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis"
Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:49 am
Has anyone watched this? I just finished on Amazon Prime and I highly recommend for anyone interested in football, CTE(chronic traumatic encephalopathy), politics, science.
This documentary shows past NFL players who died CTE. Players such Mike Webster, Terry Long, Andre Water, other players. It shows that after their careers, no one seems to care about these players as they struggle to their ultimate demise. It was hard to watch how bad Mike Webster was. This legs and feet were all messed up(there were clips of this) from his autopsy.
It also depicts living players' experiences after suffering a concussion. Former super agent Leigh Steinberg tells a story of a playoff game where Troy Aikman gets knocked out of a game. Steinberg visits Aikman after the game at the hospital where Steinberg finds Aikman sitting in a dark room(apparently concussed victims can't stand the light). Aikman was asking Steinberg where he was....then asking him who they played...then him if they won. Steinberg answer all his questions only to find that Aikman was asking the game questions 5 minutes later...and then asking the same questions 10 minutes later. It was very chilling.
The biggest thing that I took from the documentary was that the NFL only cares about making money. For over a decade, the NFL not only brushed scientific evidences about the connection of brain damage and football under the rug, but also, tries to publicly discredit and slander neurological researchers. And only when the pressure was put on them by the eventual public outcry and awareness of football and concussion, the NFL finally took action. This film shows that the NFL is a master at PR and damage control.
After watching this, you probably wouldn't want to give your hard earn money to the NFL.
This documentary shows past NFL players who died CTE. Players such Mike Webster, Terry Long, Andre Water, other players. It shows that after their careers, no one seems to care about these players as they struggle to their ultimate demise. It was hard to watch how bad Mike Webster was. This legs and feet were all messed up(there were clips of this) from his autopsy.
It also depicts living players' experiences after suffering a concussion. Former super agent Leigh Steinberg tells a story of a playoff game where Troy Aikman gets knocked out of a game. Steinberg visits Aikman after the game at the hospital where Steinberg finds Aikman sitting in a dark room(apparently concussed victims can't stand the light). Aikman was asking Steinberg where he was....then asking him who they played...then him if they won. Steinberg answer all his questions only to find that Aikman was asking the game questions 5 minutes later...and then asking the same questions 10 minutes later. It was very chilling.
The biggest thing that I took from the documentary was that the NFL only cares about making money. For over a decade, the NFL not only brushed scientific evidences about the connection of brain damage and football under the rug, but also, tries to publicly discredit and slander neurological researchers. And only when the pressure was put on them by the eventual public outcry and awareness of football and concussion, the NFL finally took action. This film shows that the NFL is a master at PR and damage control.
After watching this, you probably wouldn't want to give your hard earn money to the NFL.
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:54 am to PeteRose
Yeah, really messed up stuff.
You'll find alot of opinions here that these players are whiny bitches. They get paid millions of dollars so it's apparently okay to demolish their brains.
You'll find alot of opinions here that these players are whiny bitches. They get paid millions of dollars so it's apparently okay to demolish their brains.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:55 am to Tigerfan56
yeah, those arguments were bogus. In the film, there was a college and a high school player who died from CTE. Did they get their millions?
Posted on 3/23/15 at 12:01 pm to PeteRose
Should be called league of steroids.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 12:04 pm to Tiger Ryno
nb4 "pussification"
Posted on 3/23/15 at 12:10 pm to lsutigers1992
Seriously I don't think anyone would call it pussification anymore if they watched this doc
I was never in the "football/NFL might not be around in X years" camp until I saw this...truly awful stuff
I was never in the "football/NFL might not be around in X years" camp until I saw this...truly awful stuff
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:07 pm to PeteRose
have you ever had a concussion before? They suck.
I got one playing high school ball when I was 17 and felt worthless for about a week. I was barfing like I had a stomach bug for a few days. Imagine having an intense steady headache to go along with it.
sucks.
the coaches let me participate when I got back to school/practice. Sorry for sharing my insignificant story with you.
but it would be hard to imagine playing in the NFL were the game is so fast and guys are trying to knock you out instead of just making a formed tackle.
they don't hit as much in practice anymore as part of the new collective bargaining agreement. So the tackling won't be as sharp as it could be on games days. The NFL is a fast break league now designed to help offenses score more and defense isn't as important.
meh, I've found as I've gotten older sports aren't as important to me. I don't need some sob story about some guy from the late 80's or so to change my mind about how I don't like football as much anymore.
adjustments have been made to the game and people are gonna bitch about it. That alone can get annoying enough if you try and hang around and talk about football all the time.
The NFL is trying to make it where they have something going every month now to try and stay in the news as much as possible. They aren't going anywhere for the time being. They are making a ton of money.
I got one playing high school ball when I was 17 and felt worthless for about a week. I was barfing like I had a stomach bug for a few days. Imagine having an intense steady headache to go along with it.
sucks.
the coaches let me participate when I got back to school/practice. Sorry for sharing my insignificant story with you.
but it would be hard to imagine playing in the NFL were the game is so fast and guys are trying to knock you out instead of just making a formed tackle.
they don't hit as much in practice anymore as part of the new collective bargaining agreement. So the tackling won't be as sharp as it could be on games days. The NFL is a fast break league now designed to help offenses score more and defense isn't as important.
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After watching this, you probably wouldn't want to give your hard earn money to the NFL.
meh, I've found as I've gotten older sports aren't as important to me. I don't need some sob story about some guy from the late 80's or so to change my mind about how I don't like football as much anymore.
adjustments have been made to the game and people are gonna bitch about it. That alone can get annoying enough if you try and hang around and talk about football all the time.
The NFL is trying to make it where they have something going every month now to try and stay in the news as much as possible. They aren't going anywhere for the time being. They are making a ton of money.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:17 pm to LooseCannon22282
Take face masks off of helmets.
No more head trauma.
No more head trauma.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:22 pm to PeteRose
quote:
The biggest thing that I took from the documentary was that the NFL only cares about making money
you just now realized this?
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:23 pm to Purple Spoon
Soccer doesn't have face masks. Shitload of cocussions from heads bouncing off the ground.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:33 pm to PeteRose
quote:
The biggest thing that I took from the documentary was that the NFL only cares about making money
Ive not watched this documentary and I know this already.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:47 pm to lsuhunt555
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Ive not watched this documentary and I know this already.
it's obvious. I implied that anything the NFL did was to maximize profits. From breast cancer pink ribbons, to kids getting active outdoor commercials, to supporting the troops. NFL is not doing it because they help the cause. They do it because it helps their image and gains public trust which result in greater revenue. That was what I was trying to say.
Look at domestic abuse incident. Ray Rice got 2 games. Goodell was firm on it until there was too much pressure from the public and women groups. Then next thing you see is change in policies, no-more commercials. NFL didn't want to do it in the 1st place. It was due to public pressure and restoring their image. And good image = greater revenue. The good from these "charities" and "goodwill" is just a residual side effect.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:48 pm to oleyeller
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you just now realized this?
i also just realize you offer no value in people's thread. I hope you bring more to the table at work than on this board.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:56 pm to PeteRose
I get that concussions are an issue, but I just don't see why people want to blame the NFL for anything. It's frickin football, you have 300 pound behomoths smashing into each other and ramming headfirst for yards while other titans are flying full speed to tackle them. It's a phsyical sport, injuries will happen. Every player in the league knows this going in. But they don't GAS when they see that first multimillion dollar deal get inked.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:59 pm to Purple Spoon
Pad the outside of helmets, and they will no longer be used as weapons.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:02 pm to PeteRose
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i also just realize you offer no value in people's thread. I hope you bring more to the table at work than on this board.
thank your for all you have done for this board with your 600 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:02 pm to PeteRose
quote:
he biggest thing that I took from the documentary was that the NFL only cares about making money.
this isn't a big shock
the NFL is unionized. the group responsible with protecting the players is their union. thee NFL has no such responsibility
when you divide it up on those terms, you get what you ask for.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:06 pm to Tigerfan56
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. They get paid millions of dollars so it's apparently okay to demolish their brains.
I don't think this is the argument people make. The information is now out there, its up to an individual to assume the inherent risk of playing the sport.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:12 pm to BilJ
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The information is now out there, its up to an individual to assume the inherent risk of playing the sport.
well yeah, you'd think that's common sense. You should be aware of the risks in whatever activity, and certainly a job, that you participate in. I don't know why people are just now in the last decade wanting to sue the NFL and get pissy when they have major injuries resulting from playing an extremely phsyical, sometimes violent sport where head on collisions happen every game.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:17 pm to WG_Dawg
I see the gripe if the argument is that in the past concussions were not dealt with properly.
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