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re: Rick Pitino: Let high school kids turn pro, one year of education is pointless
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:01 am to stlslick
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:01 am to stlslick
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no shite, NCAA needs to force the leagues hands.
How are they supposed to do this though? They can't make the kid stay in school and not them the opportunity to make $$$.
The NCAA can't do anything about it. And it sucks for them and all that but it's true. And if the NCAA somehow passes a rule that forced a kid to stay in school x amount of years, the top players would just bypass college and go overseas for a year and then go to the NBA. I mean some kids are already doing that now and you just have to go to college for 2 semesters before being eligible for the NBA.
Now I do like the idea of the NBA having some sort of farm system (NBAD league maybe) that allows kids to join them out of high school and they receive a salary and benefits and all that. But the issue with that is the $$$. NBA D Leaguers make a flat line fee of $13k, $19k, or $25k. These kids can go overseas for a few months and make much more than that.
It's a tough situation for the NCAA, but it's just how it is. And I agree with Pitino. You need to at least give them the opportunity to enter the NBA draft out of high school. If they don't, then they should stay in college for at least 2 seasons. That way the kids that dont wanna go to college can go pro, and the ones that don't mind going to college will be there for at least 2 seasons which helps both the NBA and the NCAA. The product would be better ifor the NCAA and the players would be more developed for the NBA. And the NBA would be the ones that have to pass this rule and it would show that they really support the NCAA and all that.
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:12 am to Bench McElroy
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"College is not for everybody," Pitino said. "So if a kid doesn't want to go to college, let him go to the pros. Let him go into the [D-League]. And if someone does want to go to college, let them go. We're still going to have great basketball teams.
True, but no the quality of basketball will NOT be the same IMO. I am a huge advocate for 2 years of college. It would make the college game A TON better, and i think you'd see more instant impact rookies in the NBA, thus making the NBA a better product. If NBA teams would refuse to draft these high school kids except the ones that are TRULY ready, then I'd be okay with straight out of HS.
When the NBA was allowing HS draft prospects there were scores of shitty HS players coming into the league. Yes, there were exceptions, but far more unprepared, flake-outs.
Examples:
Robert Swift
Darius Miles
Jeremy Tyler
Ndudi Ebi (19 games total)
Leon Smith (played 14 games)
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:14 am to KG5989
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And if the NCAA somehow passes a rule that forced a kid to stay in school x amount of years, the top players would just bypass college and go overseas for a year and then go to the NBA
I just dont believe that will happen. The kids that have gone over seas up to this point absolutely loathed their experiences. These kids are not rockstar basketball players over there, and the best instruction and competition is found here in the states.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:17 am to tiggerthetooth
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but far more unprepared, flake-outs.
I don't think this is true at all
eta: Just looked at it on Wikipedia; 90% of guys at least turned in to solid role players with long careers.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 2:04 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:27 am to GeauxAggie972
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Pitino is just butthurt that he can't get any one and done caliber players
I agree but to be fair, he won the National Championship just two years ago.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 1:55 am to Bench McElroy
Tennessee has only had one 1 and done kid (Tobias Harris), so I don't know if I would feel differently if we'd had more, but I think I'm fine with how the rules are now.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 2:04 am to Bench McElroy
I will never understand the hate for one and done. Or this theory that "baseball has it right". Would the tourney not have been better with lebron in it? Has not the nba product improved over the past five-six years? Now The second part may be completely unrelated but the first part is undeniable. College basketball was better for having john wall for a year. Same thing with Anthony davis. I bet neither regret that year and I'm sure they benefitted from endorsements by being a household name due to their college success vs many of the high school to pro guys before.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 7:16 am to Bench McElroy
How would you guys feel about the NCAA allowing players who have played professionally for less than 1 year to return to college and play as an amateur?
That would certainly be something the NCAA could do to start to change the culture.
I know that would be earth-shatteringly extreme change from how collegiate athletics have been since time immemorial, but the system has gotten to wear changes need to be made.
That would certainly be something the NCAA could do to start to change the culture.
I know that would be earth-shatteringly extreme change from how collegiate athletics have been since time immemorial, but the system has gotten to wear changes need to be made.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 7:17 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 9:18 am to RTR America
Didn't they make it to the championship two years ago?
Posted on 3/22/15 at 9:53 am to tiggerthetooth
There's a reason why the owners pushed to have 2-3 year team options on rookies in the last CBA--- the players progressions have gotten worse and they don't want to be locked into developing a guy for a fully guranteed 5 yearS.
A 2 year rule would actually put more $ in the veterans pockets and would gurantee mkre $, career wise, for rookies. But don't tell that to the players
A 2 year rule would actually put more $ in the veterans pockets and would gurantee mkre $, career wise, for rookies. But don't tell that to the players
Posted on 3/22/15 at 9:57 am to StrongSafety
The players are more worried about their unalienable rights as Americans 
If I'm a veteran, or a middle tier guy, I'm making sure there is an age minimum. There are more of them than their are Lebron James, kobes, and Melos. It's would increase their shot at roster spots and would stop teams from drafting players they know have no shot at developing.
Watching teams draft guys pics 20 through 30 and beyond is tough because you mAinly know that many of these guys won't hit their prime on that team
If I'm a veteran, or a middle tier guy, I'm making sure there is an age minimum. There are more of them than their are Lebron James, kobes, and Melos. It's would increase their shot at roster spots and would stop teams from drafting players they know have no shot at developing.
Watching teams draft guys pics 20 through 30 and beyond is tough because you mAinly know that many of these guys won't hit their prime on that team
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:26 am to Bench McElroy
I agree w/ him. No reason a guy shouldn't be able to go pro out of high school if he wants to.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:30 am to Bench McElroy
He is right. The one and done rule makes a mockery of college.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:41 am to stlslick
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NBA got the NCAA to screw the kids, so they could get another year of development, that they wouldnt have to pay for.
They need to starting giving the pro leagues the middle finger. kids can go as soon as they want.
the rule is an NBA rule and the NCAA has nothing to do with it.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:43 am to stlslick
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no shite, NCAA needs to force the leagues hands. why should they take the brunt of obannon case, when the pro leagues are the one taking advantage of the kids and colleges.
a. the NCAA can't do this
b. o'bannon played in an era where he didn't have to go to college at all and that was a major argument made against his bullshite claims. and the NCAA using his image while in college has nothing to do with the NBA
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leagues need the colleges to develop kids, not the other way around
actually this is a marketing ploy and the NBA is sacrificing development
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some very smart lawyers out there, one needs to find a way to force the leagues hands, with players and ncaa backing.
maurice clarett took this argument all the way to the US Supreme Court and got his arse handed to him
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:47 am to tiggerthetooth
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Robert Swift
Darius Miles
Jeremy Tyler
Ndudi Ebi (19 games total)
Leon Smith (played 14 games)
swift was solid but was a fricking headcase
miles had a productive NBA career and got hurt
ndudi would likely not have done shite in college regardless. he was an athlete who sucked at basketball
leon smith had severe psychological issues. how would college have changed that? i also don't think he was eligible for college
plenty of 3-4 year college players busted in the time frame you listed, also. bust happen.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:50 am to Adam Banks
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I bet neither regret that year and I'm sure they benefitted from endorsements by being a household name due to their college success vs many of the high school to pro guys before
this is EXACTLY why the NBA has the rule. it's all about getting a year of marketing to excite fan bases
the trade off is a loss of a year of NBA development, but it's worth it for the marketing advantage. silver is talking about doing a 2-year rule but i doubt the owners and GMs want to sacrifice another year of development. they're already getting enough marketing and i doubt they get any more
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:52 am to tiggerthetooth
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When the NBA was allowing HS draft prospects there were scores of shitty HS players coming into the league. Yes, there were exceptions, but far more unprepared, flake-outs.
list the "flakeouts" vs the guys who "made it" (had at lest decent careers). because I think the HS guys were making it at a rate comparable to - if not better than - those who had gone to college.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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o'bannon played in an era where he didn't have to go to college at all and that was a major argument made against his bull shite claims. and the NCAA using his image while in college has nothing to do with the NBA
To make it worse, THIS is a screenshot of the game that used his "likeness".
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:07 pm to ATLTiger
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because I think the HS guys were making it at a rate comparable to - if not better than - those who had gone to college.
chad ford did a full blown analysis of this and the high school kids DESTROYED the college kids
the longer they stayed, the worse it got
there were some HS busts, but there were more college busts. we just don't remember reece gaines the same way as kwame brown
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