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Trying to determine tax implications for the sale of home as gift
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:08 am
I have a client who wants advice on how to go about the sale of property to their son.
The property was previously held as rental real estate up until 2014. They did not receive rental income in 2014, and classify it as a personal residence. But from 2006 to 2013, it was used as rental property and put on Schedule E, deducting depreciation each year. Because of this, I do not think I can classify this as a normal sale of a primary residence.
Additionally, when the sale is made this year, they plan to sell it for an amount significantly under FMV.
I am having trouble finding some IRS pubs that detail the treatment of personal property previously used as business. I can only find pubs on the treatment for business property that was formerly your home.
Any help to some links would be appreciated
The property was previously held as rental real estate up until 2014. They did not receive rental income in 2014, and classify it as a personal residence. But from 2006 to 2013, it was used as rental property and put on Schedule E, deducting depreciation each year. Because of this, I do not think I can classify this as a normal sale of a primary residence.
Additionally, when the sale is made this year, they plan to sell it for an amount significantly under FMV.
I am having trouble finding some IRS pubs that detail the treatment of personal property previously used as business. I can only find pubs on the treatment for business property that was formerly your home.
Any help to some links would be appreciated
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:48 am to Tigerfan56
Your issues are as follows:
1) You'll need to calculate the adjusted basis in the property.
2) To get any exclusion, it needs to be a personal residence for 2 years. (EDIT: there are a few exceptions).
3) Any gain due to the depreciation deductions is taxed as unrecaptured Sec 1250 gain, at a max rate of 25 percent. (But this is only for depreciation deductions taken after May 1997).
4) The rest of the gain (i.e. the amount the selling price is above the original cost basis) needs to be split into periods of qualified and nonqualified use. Nonqualified use is the time from Jan 1 2009 to the time the property is converted to personal use, and qualified use is the time it was a personal residence. You allocate the gain based on relative time. The gain allocated to qualified duse, you can use the exclusion on. The gain allocated to nonqualified use, is taxed as a long term cap gain.
If there is anything more complicated than this (i.e. a 1031 exchange was involved, etc) - then refer him to a CPA.
1) You'll need to calculate the adjusted basis in the property.
2) To get any exclusion, it needs to be a personal residence for 2 years. (EDIT: there are a few exceptions).
3) Any gain due to the depreciation deductions is taxed as unrecaptured Sec 1250 gain, at a max rate of 25 percent. (But this is only for depreciation deductions taken after May 1997).
4) The rest of the gain (i.e. the amount the selling price is above the original cost basis) needs to be split into periods of qualified and nonqualified use. Nonqualified use is the time from Jan 1 2009 to the time the property is converted to personal use, and qualified use is the time it was a personal residence. You allocate the gain based on relative time. The gain allocated to qualified duse, you can use the exclusion on. The gain allocated to nonqualified use, is taxed as a long term cap gain.
If there is anything more complicated than this (i.e. a 1031 exchange was involved, etc) - then refer him to a CPA.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
But they are going to sell it at a significant amount under market value.
Let's say FMV is 250k, they bought it at 225k.
Sell to kids at 150k. House has depreciated to 200k (adjusted basis).
It's partlya gift and part sale, so is this a taxable gain or not?
Let's say FMV is 250k, they bought it at 225k.
Sell to kids at 150k. House has depreciated to 200k (adjusted basis).
It's partlya gift and part sale, so is this a taxable gain or not?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:08 pm to Tigerfan56
Not sure if Pub 17 will help you or not. Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Sounds like the parents' basis carries over to the kid. Where it gets tricky is, when the kid sells the house, do depreciation recapture rules come into place?
quote:
Losses on sales or trades of property. You cannot deduct a loss on the sale or trade of property, other than a distribution in complete liquidation of a corporation, if the transaction is directly or indirectly between you and the following related parties.
Members of your family. This includes only your brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents, etc.), and lineal descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.).
quote:
Property received from a related party. If you sell or trade at a gain property you acquired from a related party, you recognize the gain only to the extent it is more than the loss previously disallowed to the related party. This rule applies only if you are the original transferee and you acquired the property by purchase or exchange. This rule does not apply if the related party's loss was disallowed because of the wash sale rules described in chapter 4 of Publication 550 under Wash Sales.
If you sell or trade at a loss property you acquired from a related party, you cannot recognize the loss that was not allowed to the related party.
Example 1.
Your brother sells you stock for $7,600. His cost basis is $10,000. Your brother cannot deduct the loss of $2,400. Later, you sell the same stock to an unrelated party for $10,500, realizing a gain of $2,900. Your reportable gain is $500 (the $2,900 gain minus the $2,400 loss not allowed to your brother).
Example 2.
If, in Example 1, you sold the stock for $6,900 instead of $10,500, your recognized loss is only $700 (your $7,600 basis minus $6,900). You cannot deduct the loss that was not allowed to your brother.
Sounds like the parents' basis carries over to the kid. Where it gets tricky is, when the kid sells the house, do depreciation recapture rules come into place?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:33 pm to Tigerfan56
The transaction you are proposing is complicated, and so are the potential tax implications. You should probably sit down with a CPA to go over all of the implications involved. The first concern I would have is that it appears the intended transaction will not qualify as an arms length transaction, and that related party transactions should be discussed. There are gift tax issues if the property is transferred for less than market value in a non-arms length transaction. Is the sale going to be seller financed? There are issues of depreciation recapture to consider since the property has been used as a rental property.
As a practical matter, there are too many issues possible to provide a comprehensive response on this message board.
As a practical matter, there are too many issues possible to provide a comprehensive response on this message board.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:39 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:
It's partlya gift and part sale, so is this a taxable gain or not?
Related party issues are pretty complicated and fact-specific. You probably need to have a sit down with a CPA where you can discuss all the facts and relevant case law and regs. You essentially have a related party loss of partial business and partial personal property. There are answers, but they are not easy as they involve multiple parts of the tax code that don't always play nice with each other.
Sorry I could not be of more help, but this is really something you need to sit down with someone.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
no thanks for all the advice/help
I actually work at a CPA firm but I'm just out of college and don't have my CPA yet. I was prepping a return for my manager and saw a note from the client about planning a future sale of what was rental property up until this year. I got curious and began looking up regs to try to figure out exact implications and it was very confusing
I actually work at a CPA firm but I'm just out of college and don't have my CPA yet. I was prepping a return for my manager and saw a note from the client about planning a future sale of what was rental property up until this year. I got curious and began looking up regs to try to figure out exact implications and it was very confusing
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