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re: Time to sit Asik

Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:58 pm to
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30111 posts
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:58 pm to
What could have been.... Freaking Minnesota.
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17715 posts
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:00 pm to
What's tiring is watching game after game he can't get to a rebound if the is another defender going for the same rebound. Asik may get his hands on it, but bet cha arse is getting stripped. Asik receives a pass for a put in, 80% stripped while he's throws his hands up looking for the foul.
He gets moved too easy for being 7' 255lbs.

Now I ain't totally hating. He does mone his feet well and knows how to use his body. He has the perfect starting 5 look. EXCEPT, he can't catch the ball .. When he does catch the ball, he holds it too low that it's IS getting stripped. Now if it doesn't get stripped, then you have to deal with his shot being blocked, by a defender, or the rim. Asik cannot jump two telephone books.

I get that they're not many options out there as far a centers go. We swung and missed with asik. I. think the staff realize that, That's the reason he spends most of the 4th qtr on the bench. They don't trust him. First it was Ryan getting most of the minutes, now it's Alexi.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30111 posts
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:07 pm to
How many games has 4th quarter defensive collapses costed us wins? A lot. You brought him to be an anchor and you don't use him, that's on coaching.

He is an offensive black hole but more often than not, it's tyreke abandoning a shot too deep or badly timed passes. He does hold it too low, he does have soft hands, but half the time it's not his fault. This is why having a 3&d sf would make this team a lot better than ajinca/ryno, you have an offensive threat so asik can finish games as opposed to cunningham.
Posted by KindaRaw
Member since Jun 2014
3963 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:48 am to
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Lol. Dude had a handful of good games the whole season.

Ajinca probably had much more good games this season than Asik has had. That being said, Asik is better on defense and occasionally has a decent offensive game on his standards. I just wish he wasn't such a tard on offense, and I also wish he was a bit more athletic. Good thing about Ajinca is that he has a decent jumper, can make free throws, move around much quicker, etc. Only thing Asik is better at is rebounding and defense.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15179 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:11 am to
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yeah he's 13th in the league in rebounding cause he's tall and lucky


Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
15179 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:13 am to
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much more good games


Posted by jaTigerfan
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
2091 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:39 am to
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Only thing Asik is better at is rebounding and defense.


Which is exactly what he was brought here to do.
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:40 am to
OP- shut up and go back to the rant baw. Asik is fine
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22376 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:00 am to
the dude is always fighting for RBs. Many times he is the reason other Pels get RBs bc he is occupying the opponents with really effective box outs.

Asik is in no way a lucky rebounder.
Posted by LSUhornet17
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2011
242 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:45 am to
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Asik receives a pass for a put in, 80% stripped while he's throws his hands up looking for the foul.


#analytics
Posted by LSUhornet17
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2011
242 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:47 am to
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Only thing Asik is better at is rebounding and defense.


So over 50% of the game? Yeah, probably not important.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14899 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:07 am to
If Asiks offense was as good as his defense, and his defense was as good as his offense, people would love the guy. Just because he isn't good offensively doesn't mean Ajinca is a better option, especially with what the team wants out of it's center.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12721 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:34 am to
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If Asiks offense was as good as his defense, and his defense was as good as his offense, people would love the guy. Just because he isn't good offensively doesn't mean Ajinca is a better option, especially with what the team wants out of it's center.


This is pretty dead on and a great way of putting it.
Posted by chatchit42
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
1362 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:53 am to
The Asik love on here is sickening.

Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:33 am to
the random influx of posters who come in with claims based on negative opinions and no real substantial data is sickening. He does what he is supposed to, Rebound, take up space, help create and be a good team mate.
Posted by chatchit42
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
1362 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 11:10 am to
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the random influx of posters who come in with claims based on negative opinions and no real substantial data is sickening.




No need to be naive, Chesty. You cant honestly say he is our best option at the price he's being paid. He is a backup center at best. Being a space-eater, a 7 footer who (gasps) rebounds, and a good teammate sounds eerily similar to a center who should be paid half of what he's paid and come off the bench. You dont need stats to tell you that.

Posted by sma19
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2011
335 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 11:15 am to
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Being a space-eater, a 7 footer who (gasps) rebounds, and a good teammate sounds eerily similar to a center who should be paid half of what he's paid and come off the bench. You dont need stats to tell you that.


Nice spin, how about this

He is a starting caliber center who has offensive problems but is consistently a top defensive rebounder and (this is more on monty imo) a slightly above average defensive player, formerly an elite defensive player.

Name a bench big with that resume

better yet, name all of the big men that get paid less than Asik (8 mil) that we could have
Posted by chatchit42
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
1362 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 12:09 pm to
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better yet, name all of the big men that get paid less than Asik (8 mil) that we could have


1. Hassan Whiteside: 11.1 ppg/10.1 reb/2.5 bpg
2. Nikola Vucevic: 19.7 ppg/11.2 rpg/0.8 bpg
3. Jonas Valanciunas:12.1 ppg/8.7 rpg/1.1 bpg
4. Taj Gibson: 12.1 ppg/6.6 rpg/1.2 bpg
5. Kelly Olynyk: 10.8 ppg/5.3 rpg/0.7 bpg

quote:

Name a bench big with that resume


If given the minutes Asik is given:

Ian Mahinmi
4.8 ppg/6.1 rpg/0.6 bpg

All these guys are on cheaper contracts and, based on what I've seen, are better Centers than the neanderthal we have.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 12:23 pm to
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1. Hassan Whiteside: 11.1 ppg/10.1 reb/2.5 bpg
2. Nikola Vucevic: 19.7 ppg/11.2 rpg/0.8 bpg
3. Jonas Valanciunas:12.1 ppg/8.7 rpg/1.1 bpg
4. Taj Gibson: 12.1 ppg/6.6 rpg/1.2 bpg
5. Kelly Olynyk: 10.8 ppg/5.3 rpg/0.7 bpg


All of those guys are unavailable unless we gave up a ton. Gibson isn't a center and will make just slightly less than what asik will make.



quote:

Ian Mahinmi






quote:

All these guys are on cheaper contracts and, based on what I've seen, are better Centers than the neanderthal we have.


Vucevic is about to get paid big time

Val isn't great defensively at all

Gibson isn't a center

Whiteside will have 1 year of cheap production but his stats don't translate to wins.

Olynyk is decent

Posted by chatchit42
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
1362 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 12:49 pm to
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Vucevic is about to get paid big time



Already on a 5 yr deal at 2.7 mil/yr

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Val isn't great defensively at all


Yet he avg's more blocked shots than Asik (who is deemed as a rim protector)

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Gibson isn't a center


I know this, but he's a PF that can play the center position like AD and be efficient in doing so.

quote:

Whiteside will have 1 year of cheap production but his stats don't translate to wins.


Is this premise based off of former 1 year wonders?

quote:

Ian Mahinmi


Why not?
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