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re: The 35 most powerful militaries in the world
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
How can Poland only spend 18 million and have any military
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:58 pm to Alan Garner
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They give you an instant way to project air superiority at almost any region of the world.
If you read my post as well as the one I was responding to then I have no idea what you are confused about. I did not in any way indicate that carriers are not vital to projecting force across the globe, so not sure what this is suppose to be a response to.
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They are also not going charging in with carriers on the battlefield so you don't need them for regional power, just support in the air. Once you can establish multiple air strips and project tactical and functional air superiority then the carriers can leave.
Again, not sure what you are addressing here. The Russians don't need carriers to exert influence or war upon their neighbors. They also don't need carriers to protect themselves from some other power's potential threat to them.
Carriers are a luxury, and if you wish to be an effective global hegemon, a necessity. They allow you to exert power all over, greater flexibility, etc, but they aren't necessarily a game changer in every military engagement nor do they fit the needs of all countries or their militaries. Let's put it like this, did carriers help the United States in it's war against Germany in WWII? No, but they were absolutely vital in the Pacific Campaign.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:01 pm to ChewyDante
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Carriers are a luxury
I'm beginning to believe that any surface fleet is a luxury - other than for shore patrol, early warning, etc.
Either go big or go subs - subs are going to provide the most bang for the buck - The U.S. and NK appear to have it right here. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:03 pm to LSU Rules07
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How can Poland only spend 18 million and have any military
because of NATO
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:04 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Calling bull shite on China and US manpower.
I would assume they're counting DoD civilians as "manpower."
You can't run a military strictly off of enlisted/officer servicemembers.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:04 pm to Rebel
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do the people in Russia's military need to eat?
Yes. And to be honest Russia does not do near as well at feeding itself as it does at arming itself which could conceivably lead to a war against Europe in the future. If there was a protracted war between the West and Russia, unless Russia could secure areas like the Ukraine and Poland, Russia would within a few months start feeling the pinch of food shortages. But the problem here is it's doubtful that such a war would last that long due to the fact one side or the other would have landed a knockout punch before food stocks became a deciding factor.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm beginning to believe that any surface fleet is a luxury - other than for shore patrol, early warning, etc.
Either go big or go subs - subs are going to provide the most bang for the buck - The U.S. and NK appear to have it right here. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
Well if it ever did come down to a shooting war between the West and Russia I'd not be surprised to see the Russian deploy tactical nuclear missiles against our carrier groups in an effort to negate the advantage we have there.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:09 pm to ChewyDante
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Again, not sure what you are addressing here. The Russians don't need carriers to exert influence or war upon their neighbors. They also don't need carriers to protect themselves from some other power's potential threat to them.
Carriers are a luxury, and if you wish to be an effective global hegemon, a necessity. They allow you to exert power all over, greater flexibility, etc, but they aren't necessarily a game changer in every military engagement nor do they fit the needs of all countries or their militaries. Let's put it like this, did carriers help the United States in it's war against Germany in WWII? No, but they were absolutely vital in the Pacific Campaign.
Good point. Carriers are great if you want to be a global maritime power. But that's not what Russia wants or really even needs. Instead they are a classic example of a great Continental power.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:12 pm to cave canem
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Calling bullshite off the bat. The US in no way has 145,000,000 people in the military, that is almost 50% of our population.
I'm assuming that someone has figured this out, but the manpower count is an estimate of what's called "available manpower". It's simply based upon population and demographics. In CIA's projections, they estimate able-bodied males between 18 and I believe 44.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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I'd not be surprised to see the Russian deploy tactical nuclear missiles against our carrier groups
Thank goodness Ronald Reagan had the same foresight you have.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:24 pm to Rebel
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Thank goodness Ronald Reagan had the same foresight you have.
I think it's pretty much been common knowledge as far back as the 60's that if WWIII ever did break out the Russians would need tactical nukes at sea while NATO would probably need them on land. Hell, where I was stationed back in the 80's (Fulda, Germany) the US had deployed a little over a decade before I got there, a small nuclear recoilless guns code-named the "Davy Crockett"
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The Davy Crockett recoilless spigot gun was developed in the late 1950s for use against Soviet armor and troops if war broke out in Europe. Davy Crockett Sections were assigned to USAREUR (United States Army Europe) armor and mechanized and non-mechanized infantry battalions. During alerts to the Inner German border in the Fulda Gap the Davy Crocketts accompanied their battalions. All V Corps (including 3rd Armored Division) combat maneuver battalions had preassigned positions in the Fulda Gap. These were known as GDP (General Defense Plan) positions. The Davy Crockett sections were included in these defensive deployment plans. In addition to the Davy Crocketts (e.g., assigned to the 3rd Armored Division), V Corps had nuclear artillery rounds and Atomic Demolition Mines, and these were also targeted on the Fulda Gap.
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:50 pm to ChewyDante
To be honest I think both of us were thinking along different lines. I absolutely agree with you on the near uselessness of a carrier fleet against an opponent the likes of Russia, they would be like mentioned a luxury in that war not a necessity.
Their usefulness would be shown in a different theater such as one held in the Pacific against some form of NK-Chinese threat.
Their usefulness would be shown in a different theater such as one held in the Pacific against some form of NK-Chinese threat.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:57 pm to ChewyDante
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did carriers help the United States in its war against Germant in WWII?
They ensured supremacy over the Atlantic which allowed the US to feed, fuel, and arm the allied forces.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:16 pm to WalkingTurtles
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8k nukes each, that's a bit overkill.
You must be pretty young. There used to be a helluva lot more than that:
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:35 pm to shinerfan
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They ensured supremacy over the Atlantic which allowed the US to feed, fuel, and arm the allied forces.
Carriers ensured that? Not really. Again, carriers can be very nice assets to have but they are not always significant in military confrontations. The European Theater was not won or lost on carriers. Not in the slightest bit. Traditional naval vessels and anti-submarine aircraft were far more important in the Battle of the Atlantic.
If you don't understand the point that carriers can be necessities in certain conflicts and virtual non-factors in others based on geopolitical considerations, as illustrated in the WWII example, I don't know what to tell you. It's pretty rudimentary strategic understanding of international conflict.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 4:05 pm to cave canem
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