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I'm surprised Hollywood liked Whiplash

Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:26 pm
A movie that promotes the idea that verbal and physical abuse can work as a motivating tool. Goes against our world of giving out trophies for participation and "trying your best."
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:38 pm to
I saw it last night and loved it. I was also shocked they liked it. Not only did he bully a lot with physical\verbal abuse he also used a lot of homosexual insults.

I guess homosexual stuff was last year and now they are more focused on racism this year ??
Posted by MadMaxwell
The Motherland
Member since Jul 2009
4599 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:42 pm to
K.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:48 pm to
The movie didn't really go either way.
The dude got fired, and the other kid killed himself.




What I love about this movie is that it's just trying to tell a good story.
It's not trying to say anything.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39210 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:52 pm to
Is this movie basically the first part of Full Metal Jacket with JK Simmons as Sgt Hartman and Miles Teller as Pvt Pyle?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120300 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:00 pm to
Oh i enjoyed it. Just surpsrised Hollywood didnt turn on it like ZDT
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:13 pm to
I just watched the movie. I am an old band guy and I can really appreciate what the movie was about. Some of the meanest but greatest motivators that I've ever known have been music teachers. To this day, I still look fondly at my music days. Especially my years at LSU school of music.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37076 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Is this movie basically the first part of Full Metal Jacket with JK Simmons as Sgt Hartman and Miles Teller as Pvt Pyle?
I had this thought as well.

The difference is that Miles was a prodigy and Pyle was a numbnut that should have been sectioned 8.

I said it before and will say it again, JK's character was NOT a mentor, he was a psychopath. How many students need to go off the deep end? Why when you were fired do you intentionally rope in your former protege with intent to destroy him?

As for the OP. Hollywood is a fickle bunch, they have no idea what they're doing year to year. Because it was "artsy" they overlook everything the normally despise content-wise.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30578 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 12:43 am to
JK Simmons won his award because he made that psychopath into a somewhat likeable character
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63345 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 12:49 am to
I wouldn't say that verbal and physical abuse is "promoted." Can there be some benefit? Perhaps, as in Miles's case. He clearly had the kind of personality and drive that fed off that teaching style. But look at what cost to his quality of life. In the end, it seemed more of a cautionary tale.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37076 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:07 am to
quote:

JK Simmons won his award because he made that psychopath into a somewhat likeable character
Not for me. JK's character should be in prison.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
near the Apple spaceship
Member since Nov 2012
5198 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:48 am to
I think what made this a good movie was its ambivalence. On one hand, Simmons' character is portrayed as a monster, and the point is driven home by the news of the suicide. Then he managed to evoke some sympathy near the end when he explained was he was trying to do. Then he's a monster again when his real motivation for recruiting Teller is revealed. And then in the end, he changes his attitude when he realizes that Teller may be The One. So yeah, to the OP's point, it does ultimately appear to condone Simmons' abusive ways.

This story actually just reminded me of the M Night Shamalamalamalan movie Unbreakable. By some convoluted logic, Sam Jackson's character figured that because he was extra fragile, there must be someone unbreakable, and he did monstrous things to find that person. Likewise, Simmons was willing to destroy everyone else in his quest to find the one young musician who could achieve greatness.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50346 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:16 pm to
Daniel Tosh said it best.

You want to beat your kid juuuuuust enough that he has the creative angst to one day give you the Thriller album, but not so much that he fricks kids.
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