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Posted on 2/26/15 at 5:20 pm to mizzoukills
Tie between Glory and The Horse Soldiers.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:12 pm to mizzoukills
FYI - Glory is on TCM tonight at 12:30, if anyone is interested. No commercials interruptions and should be unedited that late.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:17 pm to mizzoukills
Cold Mountain is a good one. I haven't seen Glory.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:21 pm to White Roach
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FYI - Glory is on TCM tonight at 12:30, if anyone is interested. No commercials interruptions and should be unedited that late.
Thanks for the heads-up. Just set it to record.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:57 pm to mizzoukills
This voiceover from the movie is always cringeworthy, though:
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Dear Mother, They learn, learn quickly, faster than white troops it seems to me. They are almost grave and sedate under instruction and they restrain themselves. But the moment they are dismissed from drill every tongue is relaxed and every ivory tooth is visible and you would not know from the sound of it that this is an army camp. They must have learned this from long hours of meaningless, inhuman work to set them free so quickly. It gives them great energy. And there is no doubt we will leave this state as fine a regiment as any that as marched. As ever, your son, Robert.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 2/28/15 at 6:40 am to magildachunks
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Did Andre Braugher survive? Always wondered that.
They all die when the cannons unleashed that point blank cannister is always my interpretation.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 6:41 am to shutterspeed
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This voiceover from the movie is always cringeworthy, though:
Note this movie is based on the personal diaries of Robert Gould Shaw, the voice overs are his actual letters he sent home to his mother.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 8:04 am to mizzoukills
Glory and Gettysburg are neck and neck.
We use both in training U.S. Army officers - Glory is a textbook example of training development, the whole forming/storming/norming cycle, combat multiplier of leadership, training for actual combat conditions - for that part, the movie is pitch perfect. The acting talent and delivery of performances - a military film that has Morgan Freeman, Denzel and Andre Braugher in the same unit - that made it impossible to fail - and they all raised their game - they even drew Broderick into a solid adult role performance (lets face it - MB's career is completely forgettable outside of Wargames and Ferris - he was at least competent in this role - maybe a little better).
And it remains Denzel's best - although on some days, I think his role Training Day is as good.
We use both in training U.S. Army officers - Glory is a textbook example of training development, the whole forming/storming/norming cycle, combat multiplier of leadership, training for actual combat conditions - for that part, the movie is pitch perfect. The acting talent and delivery of performances - a military film that has Morgan Freeman, Denzel and Andre Braugher in the same unit - that made it impossible to fail - and they all raised their game - they even drew Broderick into a solid adult role performance (lets face it - MB's career is completely forgettable outside of Wargames and Ferris - he was at least competent in this role - maybe a little better).
And it remains Denzel's best - although on some days, I think his role Training Day is as good.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 8:31 am to mizzoukills
My personal favorite.
I have a personal connection to the film that I did not discover until around 2000 when I got deep into genealogy. My great, great grandfather Allen Wesley Muckenfuss(Americanized from Muchenfaus) was a 2nd Lt in the 2nd Charleston Battalion and was at Battery Wagner that day. After the failed Union assault, he was on the beach where they were burying the soldiers and he came into possession of Col. Shaw's silk sash, sword and scabbard. He kept them for years before returning it North to Boston and Shaw's family. Found that in a book written on the 54th Mass. by Luis Emilio.
I have a personal connection to the film that I did not discover until around 2000 when I got deep into genealogy. My great, great grandfather Allen Wesley Muckenfuss(Americanized from Muchenfaus) was a 2nd Lt in the 2nd Charleston Battalion and was at Battery Wagner that day. After the failed Union assault, he was on the beach where they were burying the soldiers and he came into possession of Col. Shaw's silk sash, sword and scabbard. He kept them for years before returning it North to Boston and Shaw's family. Found that in a book written on the 54th Mass. by Luis Emilio.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/28/15 at 8:49 am to brmark70816
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Kind of off the subject.. Does "The Outlaw Josie Wales" count as a Civil War movie?
I think of it as more Western then Civil War themed, but a lot of Westerns obviously have a Civil War background to them, this one more then most.
I don't think anyone has mentioned Ride with the Devil, about Missouri/Kansas during the Civil War that came out in 1999, underrated movie in my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 8:51 am
Posted on 2/28/15 at 8:59 am to Patrick_Bateman
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I haven't seen Glory.
You are in for a treat. Truly great movie.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 9:07 am to flvelo12
The slow motion scene of Denzel's dead body rolling down the sand onto Matthew's dead body and coming to rest on Matthew's chest as if Matthew is hugging him to sleep nearly brings me to tears every time.
On a side note: Ride with the Devil is an Ang Lee movie (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, The Ice Storm, Brokeback Mountain)
On a side note: Ride with the Devil is an Ang Lee movie (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, The Ice Storm, Brokeback Mountain)
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:04 am to mizzoukills
Every time I watch that scene I think about my grandfather. That he was obviously around Shaw's body at the burial site to have ended up with those items.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:33 am to Dick Leverage
I've read that the bodies of all the white officers, except for Col. Shaw, were returned to Union forces for proper burial. The Confederate commander had Shaw "buried with his n*****s" as an insult. His body was stripped and his possessions looted before he was thrown in the common grave.
Shaw's parents were abolitionists and were were proud, not insulted, that Shaw was buried with his men. Remains in the mass grave were disinterred and reburied at the Beaufort Nat'l Cemetery after the war in graves marked as "unknown".
Shaw's parents were abolitionists and were were proud, not insulted, that Shaw was buried with his men. Remains in the mass grave were disinterred and reburied at the Beaufort Nat'l Cemetery after the war in graves marked as "unknown".
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:56 am to White Roach
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The Confederate commander had Shaw "buried with his n*****s" as an insult. His body was stripped and his possessions looted before he was thrown in the common grave. Shaw's parents were abolitionists and were were proud, not insulted, that Shaw was buried with his men.
I'm a southern white man - and a career Army officer (albeit mostly in the reserve component) - if I had been Shaw, I wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:21 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm not a military man, but if I was Shaw I would've been honored to be buried with my men. In no way would I have viewed being buried with my soldiers as an insult. That just shows how incredibly twisted the southern mentality was back then. They truly didn't view blacks as human like the Nazis didn't view Jews as human. At the very least subhuman. fricked up.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:42 pm to mizzoukills
There was, and still is, plenty of racism in the North. Black troops in the Union Army (and all the way through WWII) were segregated and considered to be inferior and/or incapable. Gravedigger, teamster, cook, orderly? Okay. Combat arms along side white soldiers? Not so much.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:45 pm to White Roach
Why would this thread receive 8 down votes??? Apparently there are some racist people on this board. Down voting the movie Glory of all things is quite telling.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:50 pm to mizzoukills
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In no way would I have viewed being buried with my soldiers as an insult.
True story - coming back from a mission - on a charter flight - they wanted to segregate the O-3s and above to fly in first class. Because we were a detachment - literally an add on - Louisiana troops filling out a California unit supporting a Pennsylvania unit - I just ignored all that and stayed with my troops - there were only 30 of us and we were manifested for the rear of the aircraft. We were coming out of the terminal, and an E-8 yelled at me, "Sir! We told the officers to go on that side..." I interrupted him, "Top. I can't fly home with my own troops?" He shut up.
Troops don't forget stuff like that.
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