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re: Anchor Please (DISNEY Set Up)
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:41 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:41 am to TeddyPadillac
Nemo and Toy Story are in a different class than Frozen and Cars, IMO. I put Frozen at 2 for it's success, but you see it's even struggled against Ratatouille, a largely passed over Pixar film. Because the story is not as strong. Same with Big Hero 6.
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:46 am to MrTide33
Cars is in the same class as Toy Story and Nemo.
What reason are you giving to say it's not?
It's a story that doesn't involve death like every Disney movie usually does, and shows how kids shouldn't act, and how they should. Don't act like your better than other people. Don't cheat like Chick. Doing what is right is more important than winning sometimes. Always sticking by your friends.
It's profitability shows it's a top tier movie and it's just stupid to say it isn't b/c you think the movie isn't that great for some reason.
What reason are you giving to say it's not?
It's a story that doesn't involve death like every Disney movie usually does, and shows how kids shouldn't act, and how they should. Don't act like your better than other people. Don't cheat like Chick. Doing what is right is more important than winning sometimes. Always sticking by your friends.
It's profitability shows it's a top tier movie and it's just stupid to say it isn't b/c you think the movie isn't that great for some reason.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:48 am to MrTide33
Little mermaid as a 5 seed is an atrocity
Toy story is the GOAT, sorry
Spirited Away is the best in the Misc bracket
Toy story is the GOAT, sorry
Spirited Away is the best in the Misc bracket
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:52 am to MrTide33
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I put Frozen at 2 for it's success
WHy didn't you give Cars that treatment.
Frozen was a terrible story, ignoring your sister your whole life without even telling her why, then almost killing her for a second time. And they sing the whole damn movie. It's like the Lion King, where your Uncle kills your father and is a manipulating a-hole. ANd then Simba comes back to whip his uncles arse, as if this is the real life Serengeti. Kids don't need to know how a real lions life goes. It's brutal.
Why do kids need to see those stories?
That's why Cars, Toy Story and Nemo are the best Disney Films. They don't have the death and hatefulness as their themes. They are just good movies about making friends and being a good friend, something kids should see.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:57 am to Carson123987
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Spirited Away is the best in the Misc bracket
It may be left out depending in how we decide if it's really Disney and if it could lessen the tournament by winning. I personally doubt Spirited Away would beat out Lion King/Toy Story/Beauty and the Beast though in the final four
Posted on 2/26/15 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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Every kid in the world disagrees with that.
It's a good movie b/c there isn't a kid that has seen it that hasn't' fallen in love with it, just like Nemo, and Toy Story, and Frozen.
So vote for it, but no matter what its seed is, it wouldn't make it past round 2
Posted on 2/26/15 at 11:04 am to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
FTR, are you saying Cars>Lion King?
Lion King is the story of a young, reckless prince that has his world rocked when his uncle murders his father. Believing that it was his fault, he attempts to run away from his troubles. When Nala finds him and tells him the state of the pride, he has to decide whether he wants to live a life with no worries, or go back and save and serve his people. It's an ultimate tale of growing up and facing difficult things.
Cars is the story of a celebrity that is only focused on fame and fortune until he gets stuck in a small town, where he realizes that there's more to life than winning races.
Most people agree that one of those is far superior and it was seeded accordingly.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 11:07 am to TeddyPadillac
Butthurt much? I didn't pick the seed for cars. However the TS2 seeding isn't an issue. It merited the 6th seed at best, and I placed it one seed lower because it's the worst movie of the trilogy. Don't over-think this one seed, TS3 will probably win the Pixar bracket and TS1 will be in the final of the Renaissance bracket
Posted on 2/26/15 at 11:30 am to MrTide33
I'm not saying Cars is better than the Lion King.
I like how your story for Cars is negative, while your Lion King story is all positive.
So why did Cars sell a billion dollars worth of crap last year? Is it b/c people didn't think the movie was any good, or had a good theme?
The people in here saying Cars wasn't a good movie sound like the idiots that vote on the Oscars.
Why can't a movie like the Avengers win best picture, or even get nominated? B/c that's silly and some artsy fartsy independent film with some crazy theme of racism or something similar is the cool thing to vote for. Not the movie that raked in a billion+ dollars.
If films like Ratatoulie were such great movies, why didn't they have more success at the box office, or with merchandising?
The box office and merchandise numbers for these animated movies are some of the more trustworthy numbers you can look at b/c kids are the ones driving it. and kids aren't prejudice about movies like some snobby critic that thinks he's to good to admit something like the Fast and the Furious movies are good movies for what they are trying to do.
I like how your story for Cars is negative, while your Lion King story is all positive.
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Most people agree that one of those is far superior and it was seeded accordingly.
So why did Cars sell a billion dollars worth of crap last year? Is it b/c people didn't think the movie was any good, or had a good theme?
The people in here saying Cars wasn't a good movie sound like the idiots that vote on the Oscars.
Why can't a movie like the Avengers win best picture, or even get nominated? B/c that's silly and some artsy fartsy independent film with some crazy theme of racism or something similar is the cool thing to vote for. Not the movie that raked in a billion+ dollars.
If films like Ratatoulie were such great movies, why didn't they have more success at the box office, or with merchandising?
The box office and merchandise numbers for these animated movies are some of the more trustworthy numbers you can look at b/c kids are the ones driving it. and kids aren't prejudice about movies like some snobby critic that thinks he's to good to admit something like the Fast and the Furious movies are good movies for what they are trying to do.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 11:59 am to TeddyPadillac
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So why did Cars sell a billion dollars worth of crap last year? Is it b/c people didn't think the movie was any good, or had a good theme?
Cars is a good movie, The Lion King was a better one. The merchandise sells so well because kids LOVE cars and Disney pushes the crap out that stuff. It's not a bad movie, hell I'll stop and watch it if I see it's on TV, but I think The Lion King is better.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:00 pm to MrTide33
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Ratatouille, a largely passed over Pixar film.
The most underrated Pixar film, IMO.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:07 pm to GeauxColonels
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Cars is a good movie, The Lion King was a better one. The merchandise sells so well because kids LOVE cars and Disney pushes the crap out that stuff. It's not a bad movie, hell I'll stop and watch it if I see it's on TV, but I think The Lion King is better.
The point is kids love Cars as much as any movie out there, meaning, it was a very good movie. They aren't pushing Cars down our throat b/c that's what they want us to buy. That's what kids want more than any other merchandise Disney offers, apart from the plethora of princess's they have.
I'm not saying it's the best movie in the world, my beef is rating it the 60th best disney film and the sequel worse than that, when money says it's top 10 easily.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I like how your story for Cars is negative, while your Lion King story is all positive.
Well you kinda did the same thing
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So why did Cars sell a billion dollars worth of crap last year? Is it b/c people didn't think the movie was any good, or had a good theme?
The people in here saying Cars wasn't a good movie sound like the idiots that vote on the Oscars.
Kids like it. That's why. But critics and a lot of people on this board agree that the movie was not as enjoyable as most of the other Pixar films
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:16 pm to Indigold
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Kids like it. That's why. But critics and a lot of people on this board agree that the movie was not as enjoyable as most of the other Pixar films
that's like saying the latest Fast and Furious movies are terrible movies, despite the huge box office numbers they've made. They obviously appeal to many people, just not the people that feel their opinion is more important than numbers.
Cars is a movie for kids first and foremost.
I see this tournament is about rating how kids movies are liked by adults, instead of how good the movie actual was for what it was made for, kids.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
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when money says it's top 10 easily.
Well this isn't a ranking of most profitable. It's about the movie. That's it. And it's not 60th, probably more like 35-40ish
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
And I actually didn't realize until now that Frozen was seeded 2. I get your argument, that if Frozen is 2 based on success, why is Cars ranked so low. I just didn't really care for Cars. I guess that's the point of this
Posted on 2/26/15 at 1:18 pm to MrTide33
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Lion King/Toy Story/Beauty and the Beast though in the final four
Spirited Away is a better film than all of these. It is one of the best accomplishments in animated cinematic history. It blows Beauty and the Beast straight out of the water and pretty handily beats Toy Story. It would barely edge Lion King in my bracket.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 2:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
The argument is that kids are simple. Cars is an extremely merchandisable series. So is Nemo, which will blow the roof when another installment hits like Cars 2. Kids enjoy the movie Up but there isn't much merchandising ability.
Bottom line is that while making money off kid's love of Cars merchandise is good for the company, Disney as a whole says it wants to focus on making great stories. Most of their stories are accepted by adults as being better than the Cars story. Therefore, 16 seed.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 2:56 pm to MrTide33
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, Disney as a whole says it wants to focus on making great stories.
Yeah OK.
So you think Disney would rather make Ratatouille 2 or Up 2 or Cars 3?
You know which one will make the most money, but you think Disney would chose the other 2 b/c they have better stories?
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Most of their stories are accepted by adults as being better than the Cars story. Therefore, 16 seed.
I see that, which is why this tournament is about Disney movies for adults, not their target audience. And if that's truly the case, Up should be the runaway winner and Frozen shouldn't be on the list.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 3:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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So you think Disney would rather make Ratatouille 2 or Up 2 or Cars 3?
Hard to say. Obviously Cars got a sequel, but as great as John Lasseter is, Cars is sort of his pet project, and he will probably be allowed to make them as long as the kids enjoy them and the company makes money off of them.
Cars 3 is in the works, and I hope it will return back to the decent story the original had. But this one may be the last before Pixar stops making them and lets DisneyToon studios continue to run it like the Planes stuff. The direction and marketing the company took with Planes sort of clues in to the direction the company is taking with the Cars unvierse.
Ratatouille and Up sequels would probably be poor storylines. Heck, I have some gripes with parts of Up's storyline as it is. So that's a moot point.
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