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Disney: What Is It With the Orphans/Single Parents?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:08 pm
This isn't a new topic for sure, but all of the Disney topics, and me watching Big Hero 6 (and no this isn't a spoiler) last night drive this.
Seriously, why?
Is that the only way to create conflict or situation for a child, through abandonment (Up, Wall-E, Mosters Inc.....sort of), Death (Countless films...Bambi, Dumbo, BH6?, Finding Nemo..), or even absence (Toy Story)?
Let's put our collective large brain together (you're welcome OML) and figure this out.
Why?!?!
Seriously, why?
Is that the only way to create conflict or situation for a child, through abandonment (Up, Wall-E, Mosters Inc.....sort of), Death (Countless films...Bambi, Dumbo, BH6?, Finding Nemo..), or even absence (Toy Story)?
Let's put our collective large brain together (you're welcome OML) and figure this out.
Why?!?!
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:09 pm to Freauxzen
It's easier to connect with an orphan for a few reasons:
1. They are subconsciously considered "less" of a threat to our egos because traditionally they have been considered in the lowest of classes...essentially, from an emotional perspective they are identified, slightly, as glorified pets.
2. Everyone identifies with loss, and what greater loss is there than essentially all of your immediate family?
3. Everyone identifies with vulnerability and innocence. The more vulnerable and innocent, the easier to "attach to" they become (like pets)
4. Everyone's greatest fear is being alone, so we subconsciously identify on our most basic level through fear.
All and all, orphans are a cheap and easy way to suck audiences (especially women and children) into the story via emotional attachments to suffering children.
1. They are subconsciously considered "less" of a threat to our egos because traditionally they have been considered in the lowest of classes...essentially, from an emotional perspective they are identified, slightly, as glorified pets.
2. Everyone identifies with loss, and what greater loss is there than essentially all of your immediate family?
3. Everyone identifies with vulnerability and innocence. The more vulnerable and innocent, the easier to "attach to" they become (like pets)
4. Everyone's greatest fear is being alone, so we subconsciously identify on our most basic level through fear.
All and all, orphans are a cheap and easy way to suck audiences (especially women and children) into the story via emotional attachments to suffering children.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:09 pm to Freauxzen
Do you have a better idea mr. comic?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:10 pm to theunknownknight
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Thought incoming
Thanks for the warning shot.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:11 pm to ell_13
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Do you have a better idea
Better Idea of what? I have some thoughts, but was proposing the question first.
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mr. comic?
Huh?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:12 pm to Freauxzen
its their crutch and proven formula. they dont frick with what works basically.
it instantly sets up conflict for their main character and sets the world against them. its easy, efficient, and works. disney doesnt mess with success very often.
it instantly sets up conflict for their main character and sets the world against them. its easy, efficient, and works. disney doesnt mess with success very often.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:13 pm to Freauxzen
It's a way to hook kids into the story and at the same time make their accomplishments seem extraordinary.
Same thing with most of the iconic superheroes (Bats& Robin,Spidey,Supes,Cap,Barry Allen,Hal Jordan) have no parents
Same thing with most of the iconic superheroes (Bats& Robin,Spidey,Supes,Cap,Barry Allen,Hal Jordan) have no parents
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:14 pm to Freauxzen
You want to know why abandonment is used to create dilemmas. Do you have a better idea?
I called you "mr. comic" because it's not just a Disney thing. How many comic book characters are who they are because of lost parents or abandonment?
Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Ironman
etc etc etc
I called you "mr. comic" because it's not just a Disney thing. How many comic book characters are who they are because of lost parents or abandonment?
Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Ironman
etc etc etc
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Let's put our collective large brain together (you're welcome OML) and figure this out.
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or even absence (Toy Story)
I do have a theory that Woody was once Andy father's toy, and that's the real reason why even in his college days, Andy was still emotionally attached to Woody, but not as much so to his other toys.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:16 pm to BlacknGold
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its their crutch and proven formula. they dont frick with what works basically.
it instantly sets up conflict for their main character and sets the world against them. its easy, efficient, and works. disney doesnt mess with success very often.
I mean this is a good point. And the main reason kids can identify is because this is probably their greatest fear as kids, losing parents. If you have them, you fear losing them, if you don't, you sympathize.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:18 pm to RonBurgundy
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It's a way to hook kids into the story and at the same time make their accomplishments seem extraordinary.
Are there other ways?
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Same thing with most of the iconic superheroes (Bats& Robin,Spidey,Supes,Cap,Barry Allen,Hal Jordan) have no parents
But I'd say the ratios are different. The amount of Disney movies with a missing parent or two is like 90-95%.
And they have only two films that really celebrate family... Incredibles and 101 Dalmations.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:19 pm to Freauxzen
The thought has arrived. See second post.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:21 pm to ell_13
Star wars
Narnia
Harry Potter
Frodo
Tom and huck both
Oliver twist
Mowgli
Tarzan
Even daenerys
Dorothy
James Bond
Vito corleone
Sawyer on lost
Hannibal lecter
Lone ranger
Edward Cullen
It's a very common theme not specific to Disney
Narnia
Harry Potter
Frodo
Tom and huck both
Oliver twist
Mowgli
Tarzan
Even daenerys
Dorothy
James Bond
Vito corleone
Sawyer on lost
Hannibal lecter
Lone ranger
Edward Cullen
It's a very common theme not specific to Disney
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:22 pm to Freauxzen
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Are there other ways?
not really. have you dealt with 3-8 year olds? they are only concerned with family, friends, and material stuff (toys, tv, etc.).
you are very limited on how to connect to a wide range of kids ranging from toddler to young youth. yes, some deal with more than others. but their objective is to appeal to the masses.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:23 pm to extremetigerfanatic
It's a commonality for stories directed at or about children. Comics, Books, movies, regardless of source, use this situation. It's just that Disney is mostly associated with animation for children so they seem to use it often.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:23 pm to Freauxzen
Because the question "Where are this kid's parents" is answered.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:24 pm to theunknownknight
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All and all, orphans are a cheap and easy way to suck audiences (especially women and children) into the story via emotional attachments to suffering children.
I'd agree, but why don't people catch on at the same time? Or at least why does Disney rarely shake it up (maybe why Wreck it Ralph was refreshing, it was a different kind of lonely).
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:24 pm to BlacknGold
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not really. have you dealt with 3-8 year olds? they are only concerned with family, friends, and material stuff (toys, tv, etc.).
Disney isn't just trying to connect to kids. They are trying to connect to moms.
A mother watches orphans and thinks "this is MY kid without me" and it sucks them right in...making them appreciate the movie experience more with their kids.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:25 pm to Freauxzen
Sorry at work so haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone touched on this.. I think Walt Disney lost his mom or parents or something like that so that may have been a contributing factor.
I just had this epiphany this past like Thanksgiving when we were talking Disney movies (lots of rugrats running around the house) and we started naming movies that didn't have parents which led me to google this about Disney to find more movies and I think I stumbled on to that piece of biographical information
I just had this epiphany this past like Thanksgiving when we were talking Disney movies (lots of rugrats running around the house) and we started naming movies that didn't have parents which led me to google this about Disney to find more movies and I think I stumbled on to that piece of biographical information
Posted on 2/25/15 at 12:26 pm to freeagent
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Sorry at work so haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone touched on this.. I think Walt Disney lost his mom or parents or something like that so that may have been a contributing factor.
I just had this epiphany this past like Thanksgiving when we were talking Disney movies (lots of rugrats running around the house) and we started naming movies that didn't have parents which led me to google this about Disney to find more movies and I think I stumbled on to that piece of biographical information
But he passed a long time ago and BH6 SPOILER...
Poor Hiro loses both parents then his brother. I think about the storyline to the film and can find other ways to create conflict.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 12:28 pm
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