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re: Spidey aint gonna be a whitey
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:36 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:36 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
My argument has nothing to do with the report in the OP
Then what the frick are you talking about?
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Sorry to hijack, but regarding Bond:
23 official films and counting
41 novels and counting
Numerous short stories
At least 5 radio broadcasts of novel adaptations
James Bond Jr. Cartoon
Several Young James Bond Novels
The history may not be as rich as Superman, but everyone in the world practically has seen a Bond film.
23 official films and counting
41 novels and counting
Numerous short stories
At least 5 radio broadcasts of novel adaptations
James Bond Jr. Cartoon
Several Young James Bond Novels
The history may not be as rich as Superman, but everyone in the world practically has seen a Bond film.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm not really following your argument here. You're essentially advocating for the possibility of changing what the character fundamentally looks like, and then turn around and suggest that making him a girl would be too much of a change.
Changing gender is a much bigger deal than changing race. It's not that complicated.
Especially when I can point to characteristics that make him being a male as being important to the story and his personality while no one has come up with a reason why him being white has a real connection with his character outside of familiarity
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:40 pm to Hester Carries
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Then what the frick are you talking about?
No one has mentioned the report in the OP in a while. I'm saying having a black Spider-man isn't the end of the world if he's the best actor for the role. I've said that countless times now.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:44 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'm saying having a black Spider-man isn't the end of the world if he's the best actor for the role.
So youve qualified it to the point that it has no basis in reality?
Point is they want A black spiderman. People are arguing against that.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:45 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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The history may not be as rich as Superman, but everyone in the world practically has seen a Bond film.
Stand corrected. Like I said...not a Bond aficionado. Though I was once in the camp that it wouldn't matter who played him, I recently rethought that and feel it's important to keep him as is.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:49 pm to Hester Carries
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That is not why they would make Spiderman black.
There really isn't much to suggest otherwise. We have a single rumor from a guy who doesn't even seem to know there are already black superheros in movies. (or at the very least doesn't consider Storm, Falcon, or War Machine to be major characters)
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Rumors clearly state that they want to find a black spidey.
Not they don't.
This is from the guy that started the rumor in the first place
On top of that the only leaked names have been white guys.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:49 pm to Hester Carries
I don't think you've read the thread then.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:50 pm to wildtigercat93
Because there is essentially zero characteristics out there that tie any character to being Caucasian, thus you can freely change every white character's race. Unless you are a villain battling for white supremacy, there is nothing that defines "white connection".
The thing is, these major characters have defined physical appearances that have existed for more than half a century. They are pop culture icons.
It is sad that people believe that needs to be done in order to diversify comic book characters, rather than creating new ones or using the ones already created.
The thing is, these major characters have defined physical appearances that have existed for more than half a century. They are pop culture icons.
It is sad that people believe that needs to be done in order to diversify comic book characters, rather than creating new ones or using the ones already created.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:51 pm to wildtigercat93
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Changing gender is a much bigger deal than changing race. It's not that complicated.
It's only a matter of degrees, really. A few quick name changes and sex changes to accommodate the new Parker and it's done.
In the end, you have essentially the same character with the same motivations. Parents die, live with Aunt and Uncle...smart, science nerd, etc. Nothing about him being a boy/guy really matters to that. Had Stan Lee written him as a girl, I can;t imagine you'd have needed to write the character all hat differently.
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Especially when I can point to characteristics that make him being a male as being important to the story and his personality while no one has come up with a reason why him being white has a real connection with his character outside of familiarity
I honestly don't think you can in any meaningful way. Again...if you're up for change then why quibble over the degree of change? I get wanting no change, and I get being open for anything. Only being open for some change that YOU don't think is that drastic seems a hard position to defend, to be honest.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:55 pm to wildtigercat93
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I don't think you've read the thread then.
So at some point in this thread we entered into a alternate universe that takes place in the future where a black actor auditioned for the role and killed it to the point where the studio said "frick it, we can make this work" and upon announcing that specific actor, all the posters on this board threw a fit?
Because thats your whole point. Thats it. And that hasnt happened. And thats not how it will happen. The studio, for one reason or another, will set out to find an ethnic spidey and will do what it takes to do so. So, since that is the rumor, maybe you should argue for that situation and not the one you made up out of convenience.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:57 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'm saying having a black Spider-man isn't the end of the world if he's the best actor for the role. I've said that countless times now.
I might be able to buy into your argument if the only actor that could conceivably pull off Peter Parker is a minority. But for them to be able to justify ignoring 60 years of history would mean that they couldn't find a single white actor that could pull off the character. I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of white male 17 to 30 year old actors that could pull off nerdy/socially awkward/smartass.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:58 pm to Scruffy
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Because there is essentially zero characteristics out there that tie any character to being Caucasian, thus you can freely change every white character's race. Unless you are a villain battling for white supremacy, there is nothing that defines "white connection".
The thing is, these major characters have defined physical appearances that have existed for more than half a century. They are pop culture icons.
And, I actually do resent being told that holding this position is racist...and I realize that has not happened here, though it certainly has on-line any time this topic comes up.
It's not racist...it's NERDY! it's the exact same thing that gets fan boys all a twitter when they alter some iconic hero's costume a bit. They/we feel a connection to them as we have come to know them, and are not interested in changing them for no reason at all.
shite...we see the exact same reaction from sports fans when a team with a long standing traditional uniform alters it a bit. Want to go start a shite storm...go suggest LSU wear a purple helmet in the 2015 season.
Then run...
People that are fans of things don't like change. They especially despise change when it occurs for no fricking reason...
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:59 pm to Bamatab
Logan Lerman 
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:09 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Exactly.
It's not racist...it's NERDY! it's the exact same thing that gets fan boys all a twitter when they alter some iconic hero's costume a bit. They/we feel a connection to them as we have come to know them, and are not interested in changing them for no reason at all.
Storm and her mohawk. :yak:
Blue Superman :yak:
Capt. America becoming The Captain.
Like I said, they are pop culture icons. Some change isn't bad, but there has to be a reason and it still needs to retain most of the original identity.
Hell, a lot of people were pretty pissed when Marvel changed Spider-Man's web shooters to the Toby McGuire biological shooters rather than the mechanical ones.
Plus, turning into a spider to get them was fricking dumb.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:10 pm to Dr RC
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Not they don't.
This is from the guy that started the rumor in the first place
I think the issue some are having with what that Jeff Sneider guy said is that even though white actors are still going out for the part, he seems to be implying that it may not matter because supposedly Sony is leaning "ethnic".
And if Sony already has it in their mind that they may go ethnic before everyone as auditioned, then it would appear that they are pandering to the PC crowd.
Now I personally don't know who this Jeff guy is, and I'm guessing he is FOS. At least that is what I'm hoping is the case.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:12 pm to Scruffy
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Hell, a lot of people were pretty pissed when Marvel changed Spider-Man's web shooters to the Toby McGuire biological shooters rather than the mechanical ones.
<------ Slowly raises his hand.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:17 pm to Bamatab
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I think the issue some are having with what that Jeff Sneider guy said is that even though white actors are still going out for the part, he seems to be implying that it may not matter because supposedly Sony is leaning "ethnic".
If they are interviewing non-white actors for the role, then they are leaning by definition. They'd at least have to be open to it, which I am not...because Peter Parker is not black.
If they are open to it, then they agree with wildcat here that what the guy actually looks like is just not that important to who the character is. Many MANY disagree with that take.
Like I've said earlier, if you're open to a black actor, why not a female one? At some point a line IS drawn as to what's essential to this character. What he freaking looks like is, in my estimation, kind of important. The mileage of others seems to vary...
Posted on 2/24/15 at 4:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Coming in late on the topic but
If you want to make have a non-white where the spider suit and call him Spiderman, I'm fine with that. But Parker has been white for decades. It's who he was created to be.
How bout in Pulp Fiction 2 they make Jules white.
Uhh no.
How bout in the next series of Star Wars movies, they make Han black, Luke asian and Lea hispanic. Even though in the first 6 movies they were all white.
Uhh no.
What if in The Hobbit they had made the Shire a community consisting of black hobbits. Even though in the Lord of the Rings they weren't.
Uhh no.
Maybe if they make a new Blade movie, he can be a white valley girl!
Uhh..................no.
quote:
because Peter Parker is not black
If you want to make have a non-white where the spider suit and call him Spiderman, I'm fine with that. But Parker has been white for decades. It's who he was created to be.
How bout in Pulp Fiction 2 they make Jules white.
Uhh no.
How bout in the next series of Star Wars movies, they make Han black, Luke asian and Lea hispanic. Even though in the first 6 movies they were all white.
Uhh no.
What if in The Hobbit they had made the Shire a community consisting of black hobbits. Even though in the Lord of the Rings they weren't.
Uhh no.
Maybe if they make a new Blade movie, he can be a white valley girl!
Uhh..................no.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 4:49 pm to Bamatab
quote:
I think the issue some are having with what that Jeff Sneider guy said is that even though white actors are still going out for the part, he seems to be implying that it may not matter because supposedly Sony is leaning "ethnic".
I took that as they had an actor in mind that they are looking at who happens to be ethnic.
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