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re: Suns looking for a 1st for Dragic?
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:04 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:04 am to PrimeTime Money
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think he's just as good as last year
Clearly his numbers are depressed because of healthy Bledsoe and Thomas. Just look at his FT rate and the number of AST FGs he has this year, not to mention corner 3PA. But he was an MVP level performer last season. He's very good but not that good.
If he's available and all it takes is a first, Houston should be all over it. He's a great fit there. And he's worth the money in a spread PnR system.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:06 am to corndeaux
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Perhaps more cap space for next year?
It doesn't really help that much, if salaries are rising with it. If the cap doesn't go up next season, teams are still going to overspend in anticipation of it going up. So it's going to be tough to sign free agents. I can't even imagine what happens the summer of 2016. If the cap jumps from 68 to 90. How can teams even get close that fast? The Pelicans have two major expiring contracts that summer (Gordon and Anderson). They are going to have to spend over 40M just to get to the cap. Most teams will too. Guys are going to get way overpaid..
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2 things:
1. Stein is reporting the Suns want to move IT. Makes much more sense than Dragic
You have to admire the Suns if they get anything for Thomas. For some reason, no body offered Thomas so they picked him up (cheap). It gave them insurance in case Bledsoe wouldn't sign. Now if they can keep Bledsoe and Dragic together, they have a top 3 backcourt. I don't see a big market for Thomas though, cause of how short he is. There is a prejudice in the league around that (like how N. Robinson is a FA right now). Which isn't right, cause the guy can play. Any chance they get a 1st for Thomas? The Suns have tons of depth all over, so not sure what kind of players they would want instead of picks..
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:10 am to corndeaux
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Would be curious to see what exactly the league offered the players.
It mentions 2 proposals. I know one of them was to give the overage too the Union rather than the league, which the Roberts didn't like because that's just more salary deflating communism in her mind. I'm guessing the advanced smoothing that she's open to would be putting at least some of the money into the cap for teams to spend on players rather than commie style Union dispersal. Roberts sounds very hardcore libertarian/capitalist, which is kind of funny for the head of a big union.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:13 am to brmark70816
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The Pelicans have two major expiring contracts that summer (Gordon and Anderson). They are going to have to spend over 40M just to get to the cap.
Welcome to New Orleans LeBron and KD.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:14 am to brmark70816
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Guys are going to get way overpaid
Overpaid isn't the best word. The league is flush with cash. The players are the product as much as anything else. Salaries will rise, as always, with league revenues.
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I don't see a big market for Thomas though, cause of how short he is. There is a prejudice in the league around that (like how N. Robinson is a FA right now). Which isn't right, cause the guy can play.
Yeah. It would have to be a team that needs bench scoring. Charlotte would have been fun. Miami would be interesting too.
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The Suns have tons of depth all over, so not sure what kind of players they would want instead of picks..
That's the weird part about any Suns deal. They have tons of young guys on rookie deals. They have the Lakers' 1st either this year (top 5 protected) or next (top 3 protected). They seem to be waiting to pounce on the next Harden type trade.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
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Roberts sounds very hardcore libertarian/capitalist, which is kind of funny for the head of a big union.
Yep. Meanwhile the capitalist owners spout socialist ideas.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:20 am to TigerinATL
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Welcome to New Orleans LeBron and KD.
Yeah we could roll out the red carpet for durant and still have money left over to make a bench
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:20 am to corndeaux
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That's the weird part about any Suns deal. They have tons of young guys on rookie deals. They have the Lakers' 1st either this year (top 5 protected) or next (top 3 protected). They seem to be waiting to pounce on the next Harden type trade.
I think they weren't getting a good offer from the Rockets so they leaked the report about only seeking a first. Drum up interest with a low ball price to create a bidding war, classic auction strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do anything major.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:31 am to corndeaux
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Yeah. It would have to be a team that needs bench scoring. Charlotte would have been fun. Miami would be interesting too.
I think Thomas can be a starter in the right situation. If he was put with a really tall PG (like MCW in Philly), they could swap off on the defensive end. The guy is a great scorer and gives defenses headaches. He'd be great off the bench too. I just hate that people believe that is all he can be..
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Overpaid isn't the best word. The league is flush with cash. The players are the product as much as anything else. Salaries will rise, as always, with league revenues.
Fair enough. But with so many teams needing to spend, some guys are going to get more than they should. Someone like Babbit might get a McRoberts type of deal, cause teams figure they might need a stretch 4. That'd be an overpay..
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That's the weird part about any Suns deal. They have tons of young guys on rookie deals. They have the Lakers' 1st either this year (top 5 protected) or next (top 3 protected). They seem to be waiting to pounce on the next Harden type trade.
It's a strange team. Very deep and young. They do need another star to pair with Bledsoe or Dragic. It would have been something if they pulled the trade this past summer that bounced around (Bledsoe, the Morris twins, picks (?) for K. Love and filler). I'm sure the Wolves rather have Wiggins. But the Suns would be a much different team..
Posted on 2/14/15 at 12:04 pm to brmark70816
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Someone like Babbit might get a McRoberts type of deal, cause teams figure they might need a stretch 4. That'd be an overpay..
I can pretty much guarantee something like that wouldn't happen
Mcbob is actually a really solid player and babbitt is a 3rd SF at best.
Teams are smarter than a decade ago and analytics play a big part.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 12:12 pm to LosLobos111
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I can pretty much guarantee something like that wouldn't happen
Mcbob is actually a really solid player and babbitt is a 3rd SF at best.
Teams are smarter than a decade ago and analytics play a big part.
Yeah, I know. I was just trying to come up with an example without going through the FA list. I just remembered that McRoberts was a bit of an overpay this past summer. I wanted to come up with a similar player. Bit of a reach..
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