re: Fire Monty It's time

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This is just setting up AD's MVP campaign.

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Only given to players on top teams... Or so I've heard

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AD wins games by himself. If the Rockets didn't have Dwight, Ariza, and a supernova Harden, I doubt they win many games. If Jeff Green, Mike Conley, and Gasol miss games, their record probably takes a nose dive.

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They could still beat teams like the Jazz and the Pacers.

There's no reason a team with only Gordon Hayward should beat Tyreke and an EG that went off for once.
I don't expect to beat the Pacers with that lineup, although it's very doable, but i don't expect to get the shite kicked out of us.

We came out and looked great in the first half of Utah. We play good team ball like that, we don't lose to crappy teams, even when we don't have our 3 best players. That's why these two losses are irritating.

We just let two teams averaging 95/game put up 100+ against the mighty Asik led defense. They both out rebounded us by a good bit.
We shot 60% from 3 against the Jazz and 50% against the Pacers.
I don't care if AD is out, there's no reason to be that terrible on defense. But we are that bad on defense even when AD is in.
We lose b/c we can't play defense, and that's all on the coaching.
Regardless of who you put out there, you should be able to sustain a physicality and teamwork on defense that allows you an opportunity to beat shitty teams when you're without your star offensive powers, especially when your team shoots the best they have all year from 3.

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No one is saying Monty is great, or good for that matter, but I can think of maybe two coaches who could take that lineup and win some games. Playing without that amount of production is fatal more often than not.

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You have a 6'7" PG who can create his own shot who's been playing great lately. A 6'4" SG who's been shooting lights out lately from 3. You have a supposed legit starting center. You have a 7'2" frenchie who's shown he can score in the post and hit jumpers. Babbitt was aggressive in both games and shot well from deep. No it's not a great lineup, but it's no worse than the two teams you just lost to in pathetic fashion, two teams that have nothing to play for, and we are here fighting for a playoff spot knowing we need to win these winnable games at home and we look like we didn't even attempt to try to win.

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no worse than the two teams you just lost to in pathetic fashion,

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Did you even bother looking at the rosters of those two teams? The Pacers are down their best player (George) but otherwise healthy. No doubt they were the more talented team last night, with multiple vets that have been deep in the playoffs. The Jazz don't "only" have Hayward, they also had a huge advantage in the frountcourt with Gobert, Favors, and Kanter.

If you want Monty gone, it should be because of his overall body of work in his time here, not because the team, playing without 3 of its top 4 players, lost to a couple teams that you think they should beat, simply because you haven't heard of their players. Frankly there are maybe 2-3 teams in the league that could hope to stay competitive with those types of injury problems, and the Pels are sure not one of them. No idea why anyone would think otherwise.

Only Gordon Hayward?

The fact that you think the roster we threw out last night is better than the Pacers and Jazz is hilarious. They're not.

there's only 5 players on a basketball court...... take out 3 of your top 5 including arguably the best player in the world, you are going to be fricked...... if you went into either of these last 2 games thinking otherwise, you are either an idiot or completely delusional

the other thing too, if we lose, its all on Monty... if we win, its all the players

i'm not saying i think Monty is the right person for the job, but it works both ways, he deserves praise just as much as blame for wins and losses and the people who bitch about him on here certainly do not give him that...... is Monty really to blame for these past 2 losses when Tyreke and Gordon have been playing like absolute shite when we need them the most?

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is Monty really to blame for these past 2 losses when Tyreke and Gordon have been playing like absolute shite when we need them the most?

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Exactly. They vanished when they were needed the most. I expected Evans or Gordon to go off for 20-30 (each). But they got outplayed. Then we are blaming the coach for the team's 2 highest paid players sucking..

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I think most of us are blaming his overall winning % of around 42% in his tenure here. That gets just about everyone fired at any level of any sport.

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And i won't agrue with that, honestly i think he should be fired...... just think its a little ridiculous to blame every single loss on him

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The Jazz game, you could see the strategic decision to go away from something that was working and towards something that seemed doomed to failure from the start.

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We used the same strategic decision last night as well, which is just baffling.

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LSUpelsSaints

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And i won't agrue with that, honestly i think he should be fired...... just think its a little ridiculous to blame every single loss on him

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It is ridiculous to put it all on him. The Utah game was a colossal failure on his part (and imo the first he's had in a few weeks). However, we were set up to fail last night. There was zero creativity in his lineups and worse yet, zero logic. We probably lose last night regardless of which turd sandwich lineups we had available. It's just the fact that 5 minutes into the game, you could tell we had 0% chance of winning.