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Obama sends Congress draft war authorization against ISIL
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:13 pm
For those that don't venture over to the Poli board.
Obama's resolution and letter were provided to The Associated Press. He plans to speak on his request from the White House this afternoon. His proposal bans "enduring offensive combat operations," an ambiguous term intended as compromise between lawmakers who want authority for ground troops and those who don't.
Letter to Congress
Draft Authorization of Military Forces
Some key points:
Obama's resolution and letter were provided to The Associated Press. He plans to speak on his request from the White House this afternoon. His proposal bans "enduring offensive combat operations," an ambiguous term intended as compromise between lawmakers who want authority for ground troops and those who don't.
Letter to Congress
Draft Authorization of Military Forces
Some key points:
quote:
My Administration's draft AUMF would not authorize long-term, large-scale ground combat operations like those our Nation conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Local forces, rather than U.S. military forces, should be deployed to conduct such operations.
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The authority granted in subsection (a) does not authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces in enduring offensive ground combat operations.
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This authorization for the use of military force shall terminate three years after the date of the enactment of this joint resolution, unless reauthorized.
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The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107–243; 116 Stat. 1498; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) is hereby repealed.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:15 pm to Emiliooo
Doesn't this basically mean that he plans to bomb them more, rather than use ground forces?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:16 pm to Emiliooo
We're going to keep pussy-footing around over there and end up having to fight there for the next 50 years.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:17 pm to jrodLSUke
Yeah, going to be interesting to see how much this changes up things. Basically, we'll be headhunters more than anything from what it sounds like.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:18 pm to jrodLSUke
If he wants to do this right, he has to not worry about collateral damage. Many of the areas ISIS holds are pro their efforts aside from the obvious geographic issues that have hampered our middle-east efforts.
If we can get in, neutralize them and get out without a sustaining campaign then so be it.
If we can get in, neutralize them and get out without a sustaining campaign then so be it.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:18 pm to Emiliooo
Obama was against war in the Middle East before he was for it. 
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:20 pm to Darth_Vader
I think that's exactly what he's trying to avoid by repealing the Iraqi AUMF and keeping our ground combatants out of the area, save for special ops.
My only concern is, if we eliminate the ideas of ISIL, when is the next extremist sect going to rise. Seems like we're going after the effects, not the cause.
My only concern is, if we eliminate the ideas of ISIL, when is the next extremist sect going to rise. Seems like we're going after the effects, not the cause.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:21 pm to Emiliooo
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Seems like we're going after the effects, not the cause.
What's the cause?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:25 pm to Emiliooo
Well the cause will never be completely eradicated.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:27 pm to KosmoCramer
I'm no expert, but most likely education, poverty, quality of life, having such a closed culture, etc.
We can't fix that by going there and trying to establish democracies in the area. Let those who want to progress in terms of education, quality of life, etc. fight for them internally.
I don't think stability will every truly happen in the region. There are too many factions fighting each other for there ever to be peace between the sects. But I do think education and all that jazz would definitely help the water from not boiling over the sides.
We can't fix that by going there and trying to establish democracies in the area. Let those who want to progress in terms of education, quality of life, etc. fight for them internally.
I don't think stability will every truly happen in the region. There are too many factions fighting each other for there ever to be peace between the sects. But I do think education and all that jazz would definitely help the water from not boiling over the sides.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:28 pm to Emiliooo
So you want to westernize them and you don't think there might be some backlash to that?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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We're going to keep pussy-footing around over there and end up having to fight there for the next 50 years.
Agreed. If there was anything to be learned from Vietnam it's that you can't use enemy body counts as the basis for winning a war.
If military action is the answer to this crisis, then total war is the only proven method for victory.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:30 pm to KosmoCramer
If westernizing them means bringing them quality of life, then yes.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:34 pm to KosmoCramer
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So you want to westernize them and you don't think there might be some backlash to that?
It's 2015. Time for them to quit living like Muhammed is still alive.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:35 pm to Emiliooo
So people that hate everything West are going to just embrace that change with open arms and that is going to fix the underlying issue?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:36 pm to KosmoCramer
Then call it something else. Don't call it westernization. Call it Arab spring cleaning.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:37 pm to Emiliooo
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His proposal bans "enduring offensive combat operations,"
But what if the threat endures?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:41 pm to KosmoCramer
I agree but with roe to our disadvantage this will be worse than finding a needle in a haystack.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:20 pm to Emiliooo
Weren't we already at war with the terrorist in the middle east when he took office?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:22 pm to KosmoCramer
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he has to not worry about collateral damag
No way. That will only push potential recruits into the hands of ISIS and ISIS-like groups.
As for no US ground troops. I'm okay with that. Let them fight their own enemies.
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