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re: Spider-Man will officially be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:09 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:09 pm to RonBurgundy
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high school Peter has been done to twice already
Once, Toby was college Peter
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:11 pm to dawgfan24348
He was both high school and college.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:25 pm to Freauxzen
kevin feige has a plan.
spiderman debuts in civil war first.
where they will kill spiderman
your move sony...
spiderman debuts in civil war first.
where they will kill spiderman
your move sony...
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:34 pm to iLikebeerandfootball
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where they will kill spiderman
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:59 pm to Alan Garner
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:56 am to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:13 am to WarSlamEagle
So, apparently, Marvel will pay nothing for using Spidey in the MCU films and Sony will pay nothing for using him in stand alone films.
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Marvel has long wanted to put Spider-Man in its movies, but since Sony Pictures controlled the rights to the character since 1999, the web-slinger has been off limits. Making a crossover could have been costly, since Disney would have been expected to shell out millions. But the actual deal turns out to much cheaper — more like free.
Marvel Studios won’t pay Sony Pictures for the rights to put Spider-Man in “Captain America: Civil War,” the “Avengers” franchise or its other superhero films, as part of its new partnership with the studio, according to sources with knowledge of the deal. At the same time, Marvel won’t receive a cut of the box office for any of Sony’s films that feature Spider-Man. Sony won’t receive a percentage of the revenue Disney makes from Marvel’s films that have Spider-Man, either.
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There may be some opportunities for Marvel to benefit financially from the Sony films, with payments tied to certain box office milestones. The financial relationship is likened by sources to the kind of compensation structure a producer would receive.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:19 am to Green Chili Tiger
Basically, Marvel wants Spidey to not be fricked up. They will have some control over it, even if they don't get direct financial benefit. Its a very smart play, imo. Protecting the character.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:30 am to Fun Bunch
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Basically, Marvel wants Spidey to not be fricked up. They will have some control over it, even if they don't get direct financial benefit. Its a very smart play, imo. Protecting the character.
This sounds like a deal made anticipating the upcoming wake of the cluster that will be Fantastic 4.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:40 am to Green Chili Tiger
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So, apparently, Marvel will pay nothing for using Spidey in the MCU films and Sony will pay nothing for using him in stand alone films.
Strangest deal ever.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
i was excited about the fantastic four until they went the direction they did for human torch idk how their going to cover the whole brother and sister storyline of those two. I guess half brother & sister? or adopted siblings? i'll still go see it. but i guess im in the minority i actuay enjoyed the first two in 05 & 07
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:08 am to Freauxzen
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Strangest deal ever.
It's Sony keeping their IP while not being required to pump out another film. It makes them money by not costing them any. Marvel wasn't going to pay one red cent to use their own character anyway. Both sides get what they want: Sony retains rights to Spidey and Marvel gets to use him.
I don't think they have any desire to Wolverine him into every movie, and I don't think there is any desire to see yet another Spidey origin story. We get it. I also don't think there's any real desire to use the more recent Spider-Man stories, as the comics haven't really known what to do with the web-slinger. I don't think Marvel has any plans to make him a central character.
But here's the thing: Spidey is a great supporting character. He's a great Avenger because he's relatable, as most of the cosmic stuff is way out of his league and he knows it. He's like a junior Avenger, and he covers up his insecurity with a few witty remarks here and there. He's comfortable being the guy in the back of the frame.
He also played a key role in two of the major crossovers already planned for the MCU: the Civil War and the Infinity War. His Civil War unmasking is THE iconic moment of the comic, and now they can doa version of it in the film. That's why they wanted this character. But I highly doubt they intend to use him as the third lead or anything. He'll be on the same level as Hawkeye (who really should get his own movie based on the Fraction book).
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:13 am to Breesus
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GET
THE
frick
OUT.
Please keep Garfield
Garfield is a great spiderman, the problem is that he is inextricably linked to the recent movies and the recent movies have been pretty bad. He had to expect that the studio would want to scrap everything, put all of Sony's shitty spiderman movies behind it, and start fresh. And, frankly, they should.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:17 am to Bham4Tide
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One scene ruined the movies for me and still drives me nuts. Guess I'm a bit OCD. But in the first one Peter is having dinner with Gwen's family and is using his utensils like they do in Europe (Garfield is British) - knife in one hand with the fork turned around backwards. It continues to bug me.
That's how I eat
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:19 am to Baloo
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It's Sony keeping their IP while not being required to pump out another film. It makes them money by not costing them any. Marvel wasn't going to pay one red cent to use their own character anyway. Both sides get what they want: Sony retains rights to Spidey and Marvel gets to use him.
It's logical, precisely why it's strange in Hollywood.
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I don't think they have any desire to Wolverine him into every movie, and I don't think there is any desire to see yet another Spidey origin story. We get it. I also don't think there's any real desire to use the more recent Spider-Man stories, as the comics haven't really known what to do with the web-slinger. I don't think Marvel has any plans to make him a central character.
I hope you are right and the fact that he stays with Sony might mean that. I wonder if they would ever do anything the other way or if Spider-Man is merely a splinter person and his stories will still be isolated to the rest of the universe.
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But here's the thing: Spidey is a great supporting character. He's a great Avenger because he's relatable, as most of the cosmic stuff is way out of his league and he knows it. He's like a junior Avenger, and he covers up his insecurity with a few witty remarks here and there. He's comfortable being the guy in the back of the frame.
I agree here.
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He also played a key role in two of the major crossovers already planned for the MCU: the Civil War and the Infinity War. His Civil War unmasking is THE iconic moment of the comic, and now they can doa version of it in the film. That's why they wanted this character.
Agreed, except Civil War would never work. This world doesn't have a Spidey running around for approximately 10 years fighting crime. There's no way they can shoehorn that in now.
Actually the only way it can have a big impact is if they go the High School route, instead of longevity being the thing that makes the Spidey reveal work, it could be seeing the "real face" behind a recent hero being a boy, essentially.
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He'll be on the same level as Hawkeye (who really should get his own movie based on the Fraction book).
Mega agree. Fraction's run was outstanding.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:33 am to Freauxzen
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Agreed, except Civil War would never work. This world doesn't have a Spidey running around for approximately 10 years fighting crime. There's no way they can shoehorn that in now.
That's not the hardest workaround. The moment works because its SPIDERMAN. Hes the most iconic Marvel character out there. Everyone knows him, including the audience of the film. Sure, he's not been in the MCU, but the audience certainly knows who Spider-Man is, and if he reveals himself, it will still have the same impact as if Marvel was putting out Spidey movies.
Really, all you need is a few lines of dialogue early in the picture to tie the Spideyverse in, and then a scene with Spidey in it before the Civil War breaks out. It'll be different than the books, but hardly a deal breaker. The unmasking scene has to happen, I think. It's such good drama. (Also, it allows for an audience surrogate who will start questioning whether Stark is in the right)
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:34 am to Freauxzen
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instead of longevity being the thing that makes the Spidey reveal work, it could be seeing the "real face" behind a recent hero being a boy, essentially.
Absolutely agree.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:40 am to Baloo
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That's not the hardest workaround
Not sure I agree here.
Part of the comics, and really what most non comic readers seem to struggle with the most while watching the individual films, is "Where in the shite are the others heroes when XYZ threat was happening?!?"
When you're talking guys like Thor or Hulk or Cap or even Iron Man or FF, you can say they're busy elsewhere doing bg things. But Spidey? He's street level and in NYC. How in the hell do you suggest Spidey was active during The Avengers when half the city was being destroyed and we never see him show up? Studying for finals?
As much as I like Garfield and as much as I don't want another origin story, I really do think you need to have a post Avengers Spidey...a guy that came to be AFTER the events of NYC. Anything else strains believability, even for comics.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Part of the comics, and really what most non comic readers seem to struggle with the most while watching the individual films, is "Where in the shite are the others heroes when XYZ threat was happening?!?"
Like I posted earlier in the thread:
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Ironman: Why weren't you at the Battle of New York, Spidey?
Spider-Man: Well I was standing in front of my girlfriends grave for over a year.
Spidey: Lemme ask YOU a question, where were you when Electro wreaked havoc on Times Square?
Ironman: Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I had to go to the middle of Tennessee to teach a kid to make a potato gun. It was a whole thing.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:07 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Ironman: Why weren't you at the Battle of New York, Spidey?
Spider-Man: Well I was standing in front of my girlfriends grave for over a year.
Spidey: Lemme ask YOU a question, where were you when Electro wreaked havoc on Times Square?
Ironman: Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I had to go to the middle of Tennessee to teach a kid to make a potato gun. It was a whole thing.
Haha...yeah, I had seen that. Like I said, that really does sort of work for the bigger guys with expanded universes. FF can legitimately say they were not home if they had been part of the MCU because they may have been doing something in space...same with Thor for the shite in Cap 2, etc.
But Spidey...he's all NYC especially in every version we've thus far seen in the movies. As funny as it would be to say he was too busy mourning his girlfriend, it's hard to stay on the sidelines when a portal opens up over the city and giant arse worms are poring through. "I'm sure Aunt May will be fine all the way in Brooklyn...I'm gonna stand here staring at this tombstone." haha.
I really do think that if they are going to bring him into the MCU, then they have to do it fresh...as a noob. If they don't, then they almost have to acknowledge the shitty Sony movies as cannon of some sort.
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