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Draft Prospects/O-Line/Gaurds: Brandon Scherff vs. La'el Collins

Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:49 pm
Which of these two beast would you rather have to anchor our o-line for years to come?


Brandon Scherff

Iowa / 6-5 / 320 lbs.




STRENGTHS: His upper body strength, along with proper hand placement and good knee bend, make Scherff a force in the running game. Balanced with a naturally wide base and light feet, controlling his momentum well. Outstanding drive blocker with the punch to jolt and drive his man where he wants with above average hand use to attack rushers, keeping separation between him and his target.

Quickness is more functional than flashy. Pass drop from the snap is efficient and controlled rather than explosive. Shifts his weight well and can be a wrecking ball at the second level with an eager blocking attitude and the demeanor of a wrestler, taking down rushers.

Strong hands to latch on and control opponents when pass blocking. Impressive power, as he'll stop pass-rushers in their tracks at times.

WEAKNESSES: Some hip and joint tightness. Can get himself in trouble when relying upon his strength, occasionally settling onto his heels rather than playing on the balls of his feet, which makes him susceptible to speed rushes upfield and quick counters back to the inside. Occasional missteps in pass protection can be corrected with more experience.

Some question as to whether he will be able to stay on the left side in the NFL. Missed the second half of the 2012 season due to an ugly right leg injury, but appeared fully recovered in 2013.






La'el Collins

LSU / 6-5 / 308 lbs.




STRENGTHS: Collins possesses a square-ish build that makes him appear better suited to guard. His frame belies his quick feet, an attribute that when combined with his long arms, impressive strength and aggression make him a devastating run blocker. Collins is often the quickest of LSU's offensive linemen off the snap and he routinely drives his assignment off the line of scrimmage with pure power, creating easy running lanes for LSU's backs. He's surprisingly quick to the second level and has good body control to adjust to moving targets.

As a pass blocker, Collins shows good initial quickness in his kick-slide and uses his long reach to maintain the arc. When he gets his hands on opponents and remains square, it is generally lights out for the defender.

WEAKNESSES: He does not possess elite balance and can be challenged by speed-rushers. He'll over-compensate occasionally and leave the inside open for counters.

Collins' aggression is admirable but also leads to mistakes. Rather than patiently waiting for defenders to come to him, Collins will occasionally lunge, making himself top-heavy and prone to slipping down the body of his opponent. This can lead to his hands getting too low or slipping onto the side and/or back of defenders, which invites them to swim over the top of him to disengage.


Which one would you rather?

Scherff is ranked higher than Collins right now and at 6-foot-5 and 320 pounds, Scherff owns a wide frame with surprisingly light feet, allowing him to control his momentum. While his missteps are a weakness, he still has those strong hands to lock onto his opponents while pass blocking.

Health issues have been a problem, but it seems as if he has overcome those past injuries. Scherff is a special talent that will likely go far as a true anchor on an offensive line in the NFL. However, and not trying to be an LSU homer, I still like La’el Collins better for the Saints due to his position flexibility between guard and tackle.

It’s left guard Ben Grubbs that must be the first lineman to be replaced, and Collins is a better fit for that specific role. Regardless, be sure to keep an eye on Scherff and the abilities he displays at this month’s Combine.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 9:21 am
Posted by Laaz2750
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:57 pm to
I realize it's just one guy's analysis of these guys' strength and weaknesses but I don't love the fact that both players' weaknesses come in pass protection. Both guys are, apparently, susceptible to "speed rushes." I mean, if protecting Brees was THE problem with our offense this season... I'm just saying.
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:58 pm to
I'd love to have either at 13. I guess I'd rather Collins b/c I've watched all his games and I'd be surprised if he was a bust. I think he would be a great guard his rookie year. I could also see him being a great right tackle after a couple of years in the league.
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:59 pm to
That's why you have them play guard at first. They won't have trouble with a speed rush at guard. I assume that they cold adjust to right tackle given time.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 7:00 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:03 pm to
As Blu said um er once or twice lol get a tackle in the draft and start him at guard then switch to tackle. In our case RT will be needed soon.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

I realize it's just one guy's analysis of these guys' strength and weaknesses but I don't love the fact that both players' weaknesses come in pass protection. Both guys are, apparently, susceptible to "speed rushes." I mean, if protecting Brees was THE problem with our offense this season... I'm just saying.


Yeah I think its a little exaggerated. I think both will be long time staples in this league.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:13 pm to
We're fine at starting tackle (could use a mid-round backup). Scherff looks like the more capable guard, so I'd go with him. I'd be happy with him at 13.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:22 pm to
quote:

We're fine at starting tackle (could use a mid-round backup).


I'm well aware of that. I was meaning both for guard.

quote:

Scherff looks like the more capable guard, so I'd go with him. I'd be happy with him at 13.


I think both are capable, I really would love to have either.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

As Blu said um er once or twice lol get a tackle in the draft and start him at guard then switch to tackle. In our case RT will be needed soon.



Where the frick is Blu? This is his time of year!! I need my mock draft buddy back.

Posted by HMTVBrian2
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:33 pm to
I like La'El because you can play him at either guard spot or at right tackle if need be. Plus I am a homer.

La'el didn't have a lot of opportunity to pass block this year tbh. but my god he just erased people when the ball was run to his side.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 7:35 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:38 pm to
I imagine him lying in a coca field humming Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

I like La'El because you can play him at either guard spot or at right tackle if need be.


I agree.

quote:

but my god he just erased people when the ball was run to his side.



Yes he did! Even though it will be way harder to do in the NFL, I still think he shines in run blocking.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:43 pm to


Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

I imagine him lying in a coca field humming Lucy in the sky with diamonds.



Wait I found a picture of him and his old lady....

Posted by JackVincennes
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:54 pm to
Give me Collins at Guard, I'll go with the monster I know best. I am of the opinion we need an entire overhaul of the interior OL. Does anybody think either guard is worth another year with their price tags? I'm not even going to ask about Center. I would have liked to address that in last year's draft and not picked our "project" in the second round.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:58 pm to
Im on board for hoping they take a long hard look at replacing all three.
O-line has been our calling card to be successful so take a chance and go for it. Along with a bunch of cash and awesome draft pics of course.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

I am of the opinion we need an entire overhaul of the interior OL.


I agree.

quote:

I'm not even going to ask about Center.


Center will be cheaper to replace I believe. Also Center can be drafted later in the draft in the 3-6 range.

We could get a FA like Stefen Wisniewski or Rodney Hudson to fill that roll also.

Does anyone think Lelito can cut it in that spot after this offseason?
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 8:20 pm to
Isn't Scherff also slotted as able to play guard as well? Either one works fine for me, but I believe Scherff will be gone by the time we pick.

Scherff sounds more or less like the guard we want that maul people down field.

quote:

Shifts his weight well and can be a wrecking ball at the second level with an eager blocking attitude and the demeanor of a wrestler, taking down rushers.


This made me imagine PT running a screen with Scherff as his lead block...
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 8:30 pm to
quote:

Isn't Scherff also slotted as able to play guard as well?


Yes thats why I put him on here, we don't need a back up tackle in the first 3 rounds.


quote:

I believe Scherff will be gone by the time we pick.


Not necessarily, not really a big need with the first 12 picks, I think Minnesota is the only one we have to worry about.

There are a couple teams that need tackles but I think Ereck Flowers and Andrus Peat get taken as tackles before Scherff, hes really slated as a guard in the NFL


quote:

Scherff sounds more or less like the guard we want that maul people down field.



100%


quote:

This made me imagine PT running a screen with Scherff as his lead block...


I think either could pull and do this.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 8:37 pm to
Can you do another thread with Vic Beasley and Shaq Thompson?
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