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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **

Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
Member since Mar 2007
23111 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:22 pm to
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hangnail
the struggle is real.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:23 pm to
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but would they have to if the unions at other plants didn't exist?

Even if one plant is not unionized the market is affected by unions at other plants



There is that aspect, hard to say. I do agree with stout that it would be close to thw same price.

Part of the high price is for retention of knowledge. Believe it or not there is a little more than being able to munch on fritos and watching movies.

Competition between each site is one thing, but competing with outside fields would mean lots of turnover. A recent class of new hires had almost half with 4 year degrees and 95% with at least a two year degree.

The pay/benefits have attracted very qualified individuals that could bolt to another field.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129003 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:25 pm to


I got floated to the peds ER once back in BR years ago. Night before school starts. Kid comes in at 2 am with an itchy scalp. Ask him how long it's been itching...5 years. Kid has dandruff and was trying to get out of school the next day....and his mom brings him to the ER for that
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32482 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:26 pm to
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Posted by yellowfin quote: How is this market "free" in any way shape or form when it is being actively manipulated by the biggest player in the game? We produce more oil than Saudi Arabia



Has been pointed out to him many times.

He just chooses to ignore his boogeyman does not exist.

This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29195 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:30 pm to
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6% Annual raise
$7500 signing bonus
90/10 insurance
Triple time





No, wait. This is seriously what they requested?


Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:38 pm to
It better prepares them for future positions when they turn nonessential.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5101 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:46 pm to
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quote:
welcome to reality/ Obamacare has ruined insurance for most americans


No shite.

It has become comical that union members pay dues that end up supporting obama and then pay out of their pocket to support republicans.


This right here!

fighting tigers, have you ever asked for (and actually received) a breakdown of where your dues are spent? I have asked before and only received info on the portion that stayed with the local.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:48 pm to
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fighting tigers, have you ever asked for (and actually received) a breakdown of where your dues are spent? I have asked before and only received info on the portion that stayed with the local.


Never cared where my dues went, kind of like not caring what state farm does with my insurance premiums. Just wish they were less.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40138 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:50 pm to
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So should people working in hospitals. How dare they expect people to work while others are normally sleeping.


and those being educated to work in hospitals. How dare they expect us to spend 14 hours in a library on SB sunday.

rabble rabble rabble

Thanks for the enjoyment in this thread guys and gal(s).
Posted by Nobs
Houston
Member since Dec 2010
377 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:50 pm to
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No, wait. This is seriously what they requested?



It was actually a little worse than that.

They was 7, 6, 6%. Plus a bunch of demands about more people, etc.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:00 pm to
The 6% deal is merely a bargaining tool. They knew they weren't getting that. They will meet in the middle between 3-4% most likely
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:01 pm to
Didn't they propose 10, 10, 10 one contract.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:03 pm to
I wouldn't put it past them
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5101 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:09 pm to
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quote: you see the repair cost on those new aluminum F-series? If the union knew how poorly the vast majority of their members mishandled their money, they would never push for a strike. Greater than 50% can't afford to miss even one check.



It's not just union members that do this. Pretty sure the general public is just as bad.

When I first got my union job some of the old hands told me to save up at least 6 months of pay just in case. I've always kept at least that much money available.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40138 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:09 pm to
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Again, if you're one of the ones working a day job, STFU. O/G workers sacrifice a lot.



and are compensated for that sacrifice.

Who doesn't make sacrifices?
Healthcare workers make sacrifices
Famers and farmhands
Salespeople
truck drivers
cops and firefighters
military personel
The list goes on and on.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36419 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:10 pm to
lolunions
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:12 pm to
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When I first got my union job some of the old hands told me to save up at least 6 months of pay just in case. I've always kept at least that much money available.


Yep.

I have worked with some of the most frugal people ever when in union jobs. I'm talking tying a plastic bag a certain way so it can be used multiple times for bringing their lunch.

They make engineers look like Birdman at a strip club.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5101 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:15 pm to
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quote: Again, if you're one of the ones working a day job, STFU. O/G workers sacrifice a lot. Typical entitlement - your right it's our fault you work stupid hours.


I don't think he was trying to bitch. At least I hope not. If I understand him correctly he is simply saying these are some of the reasons the job pays well. Most ppl don't want to work weekends, nights, holidays, etc. so the better pay sweetens the pot. Of course we all know the odd hours we work going in, but understand we are being paid well to work those hours.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19691 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:18 pm to
Just talked to local union rep, it's looking like Norco will be the next to go, since it's a joint Shell/Motiva site and the USW wants the biggest impact on Shell.

Shell didn't care about the 6% raise, and that was signed off on quickly. Norco and Deer Park both already have agreements locally, but have to strike if National USW says so.

The gist of what he told me was behind the strike was that for the past 20-30 years the O&G companies have been taking stuff away each contract and not giving any (pensions, bidding processes, health care and triple time (yes at one point on holidays you got triple time) etc.)

Companies were also choosing to hire 12 instead of 20 and just tell current employees to work added OT and forgo vacations in order to save money. That's just a small amount of what's being discussed though, but a little insight FWIW.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40138 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 4:22 pm to
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Can't wait for next years patriotic Oscar bait "American Driller"


Is that a porno?

quote:

starring Larry the Cable Guy


nvm
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