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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:06 pm to yellowfin
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:06 pm to yellowfin
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If not I'm not concerned with their level of care
You will care if the hospitals that all the "poors" go to have to shut down and then where are they gonna go?
The nicer hospitals you go to. Then those hospitals won't have a hospital to "dump" those patients on anymore. They will have to take them and eat the costs and then the quality of care eventually suffers when they start losing money.
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Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:06 pm to yellowfin
I am of the opinion these operators are vastly overpaid.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:06 pm to lsunurse
Kind of like an old mall/new mall scenario 
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:07 pm to lsunurse
quote:absolutely agree. My old man has been in the field for a long time. I think the operating model of hospitals is jacked up, and it was getting that way with or without obamacare. I am not smart enough to have a better way. I was more playing devils advocate earlier.
It's just a shitty situation all around.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:07 pm to fightin tigers
i like your attitude lsunurse. 
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:07 pm to Colonel Flagg
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am of the opinion these operators are vastly overpaid.
Hear, here.
What about the non-operators?
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:07 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I am of the opinion these operators are vastly overpaid.
You're no better than a union in that you hate the free market.
If the market justifies their pay then who are you to judge?
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:08 pm to lsunurse
In my perfect world they wouldn't be allowed anywhere if they can't afford to pay but I know that will never happen
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:08 pm to MeatHammer09
how are we over paid? lol
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:09 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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I think the operating model of hospitals is jacked up, and it was getting that way with or without obamacare.
True. It was on a crashcourse. Obamacare just didn't help make it better.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm to stout
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You're no better than a union in that you hate the free market.
It the market justifies their pay then who are you to judge?
but would the market pay be the same without unions?
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm to stout
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oil prices
= free market at work like I said
What? Oil prices have never been governed by the "free market" but rather production quotas of OPEC nations. Saudi Arabia is manipulating the market through overproduction in order to price out American fracing and refining.
How is this market "free" in any way shape or form when it is being actively manipulated by the biggest player in the game?
I think the unions are pretty fricked, but that doesn't change the stupidity of your comment, IMO.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm to MeatHammer09
i cant stand people who think they are entiltled a certain thing just because they breath. aka.healthcare. if you dont pay/provided then your SOL.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:10 pm to yellowfin
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but would the market pay be the same without unions?
Non union sites make more than union in many cases.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:11 pm to MeatHammer09
I'm a lowly engineer so take this with a grain of salt. I've been in plants when things got very ugly quick, and have seen operators prevent some serious catastrophes. When you see that, you feel comfortable paying them whatever. I don't think they are overpaid, personally.
That said, I think the cost is getting high enough to start justifying more automation and inherently safer plants at a higher capex which allows for less operating staff.
That said, I think the cost is getting high enough to start justifying more automation and inherently safer plants at a higher capex which allows for less operating staff.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:12 pm to TxTiger82
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What? Oil prices have never been governed by the "free market" but rather production quotas of OPEC nations. Saudi Arabia is manipulating the market through overproduction in order to price out American fracing and refining.
How is this market "free" in any way shape or form when it is being actively manipulated by the biggest player in the game?
So oil is not dictated by supply and demand?
Even if it is a artificial shortage it is still supply and demand.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:12 pm to fightin tigers
Non union sites make more than union in many cases
ie. Shell Geismar. they pay $2-3 more to keep the union out.
ie. Shell Geismar. they pay $2-3 more to keep the union out.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:12 pm to yellowfin
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but would the market pay be the same without unions?
Probably wouldn't be far off but I doubt it would be as high.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:13 pm to yellowfin
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In my perfect world they wouldn't be allowed anywhere if they can't afford to pay
Even kids with cancer? So shut down St Judes as well?
I've gotten really jaded over the years in regards to how people abuse the healthcare system(using the ER as a doctor's office cause there are no copays with Medicaid, etc)...but at the same time I do believe everyone should be able to receive care. Does that mean everyone gets to go to the really supernice hospitals...not necessarily. But there should always be a place for those that have gotten a shitty hand in life to be able to be cared for if they are sick/injured.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 3:13 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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That said, I think the cost is getting high enough to start justifying more automation and inherently safer plants at a higher capex which allows for less operating staff.
Sites are moving that way and have been for many years. Maintenance of these systems though usually still falls to union hands.
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