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re: Can we talk about the coach's Xs and Os skill level?

Posted on 1/28/15 at 10:57 pm to
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20449 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 10:57 pm to
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Can we talk about the coach's Xs and Os skill level?


If there are three people on the Rant that actually know basketball X's and O's, I'd be floored.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 10:58 pm to
???
Telling him how to position himself and what to look for are definitely X's and O's.
Doesnt have to be a set play to be considered X's and O's. Certainly could have drawn something on a board explaining it with X's and O's of you wanted to
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70095 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:26 pm to
I looked at it as gray getting beat once and then getting slightly beat the second time, but the difference was Hornsby recognizing the second time and making the play. They talk every game about how much jones thinks of hornsbys bball iq. That play showed a lot of it, imo.
Posted by ALT F4
Member since Jan 2015
2292 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:28 pm to
Kid is a gamer. That release is ugly but it drops
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6887 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:05 am to
Do we have to complain about this when the team wins?

If the Tigers, who appeared to me to be sleepwalking through much of this game--albeit without Patterson playing--can still manage to win a conference game, then it's okay!

The coaches can hopefully work on this in practice or go over it in a film session.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:25 am to
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Matt the Sconeman was pointing it out on 104.5 several weeks ago

Matt also loathes spending any time on LSU basketball. He doesn't pay attention to the team and just makes as many informed observations as any Rant posters (which isn't completely true as many here pay far more attention). This is the same guy who acts like anyone outside of the Top 25 is an awful team and doesn't know things like the capacity at the PMAC.

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The bad half court offense

I'm starting to wonder people only compare LSU to the NBA game and the absolute elite of CBB. LSU's offense isn't amazing, but we're not bad in any category outside of turnovers.

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but we're beating bad teams by 4-6 points

Which bad team? South Carolina? The same bad team that plays excellent defense and really doesn't get blown out (and has a more impressive OOC win than we do). Winning away games is difficult regardless of opponent, so I hope you're not getting upset about playing Vandy and Ole Miss close.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 12:27 am
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:32 am to
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I looked at it as gray getting beat once and then getting slightly beat the second time, but the difference was Hornsby recognizing the second time and making the play. They talk every game about how much jones thinks of hornsbys bball iq. That play showed a lot of it, imo.


You must not have read his post. He clearly stated that no coach or player realized it. That's how Hornsby was able to block the shot off the backboard.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14475 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:09 am to
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Apparently praise for a coach is allowed, but criticism is not.
Some folks are loyal and protective and they think any criticism after a win is counterproductive and being a bad fan. I understand the sentiment. Don't agree but understand.

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There was a play that SC ran very successfully once. The inbound play where the guy faked going to the too if the key then went back door for an easy layup. They ran the same play a few minutes later when they needed a basket. It looked like the players were not in a formation to stop this.
I'll give Grey the one but never should have happened again so soon after the first. Protect the goal, hell give him the ball on the perimeter and stay between him and the goal.

Was it mentioned in the huddle after the first time it happened? I couldn't tell you. I hope it was.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:27 am to
Wtf are you talking about?
I never said that clearly no coach or player recognized it.
You must be one of those special people
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:53 am to
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???
Telling him how to position himself and what to look for are definitely X's and O's.
Doesnt have to be a set play to be considered X's and O's. Certainly could have drawn something on a board explaining it with X's and O's of you wanted to



No. That's baisc man principles. Don't get beat on a cut to the basket.

Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25059 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:50 am to
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There was a play that SC ran very successfully once. The inbound play where the guy faked going to the too if the key then went back door for an easy layup. They ran the same play a few minutes later when they needed a basket. It looked like the players were not in a formation to stop this.



What about our half court play in the second half when we needed a basket and we went high to Mickey, low to Martin and Hornsby cut across the lane under a back screen to the corner and he got a wide open shot after he faked under the chasing defender. Pretty damn good play there. Shouldn't they know that it is coming since we've run that hi/lo set during every game this season? They are good plays because they are hard to stop and if you do it right, you only run it "against formations" that struggle to stop the concept.

ETA: Also the guy's name is Gray. He's on the team and it is a well-known color. Spell it correctly. If you don't know, look it up.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 9:57 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32508 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:56 am to
They ran a good inbound play and scored. If it happened with 13:00 on the clock, I doubt we would be talking about it at all. I like to go to a looping/switch zone on inbound plays because of plays like the one they ran. Let them inbound away from the basket and reset top which ever defense you want. the play beat us 2x which is not good, but we got the win. Xs & Os wise, I think our current Coach is just fine. For once I agree with the LSU basketball faithful, wait until our next few recruiting classes come in.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:21 am to
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Wtf are you talking about?
I never said that clearly no coach or player recognized it.


Hmm, I'm just reading your posts.

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Anybody who knows basketball knows we struggle badly in the X's and O's department. The first inbounds play was just a great play, kudos to them, the second time I saw it coming watching on TV, so did my buddies, and so did the announcer who commented on it, but apparently our team/coaches did not
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16410 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:23 pm to
Good solid man to man D is needed regardless of play run. You can't count on guessing what the play will be. You can shade to a specific player but that's about it. Man the frick up and guard your guy and switch when necessary.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9112 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:23 pm to
I think the LSU coaching staff needs a lot of credit from where they were at the beginning of the year compared to now. Execution was the problem and playing as a team not X and O. They have great game plans now that they know there team better. I always see them attack the opposition weakness and playing to our strengths. But what ever...
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 3:24 pm to
How come no credit goes to the LSU coaching staff for that beautiful high/low play they ran to get Mickey a slam dunk. Gray getting beat back door was on him. That's not a scheme problem.
Posted by Jtigers99
Holly Beach, USA
Member since Dec 2014
1841 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 3:27 pm to
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Matt also loathes spending any time on LSU basketball. He doesn't pay attention to the team and just makes as many informed observations as any Rant posters (which isn't completely true as many here pay far more attention).

Sounds like Scone man bangs your significant other.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25059 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 3:49 pm to
Actually, it just sounds like the guy doesn't think Matt knows much about hoops. He sort of said as much on the show the other day, so I'm not sure what the problem is.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25059 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 3:50 pm to
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How come no credit goes to the LSU coaching staff for that beautiful high/low play they ran to get Mickey a slam dunk. Gray getting beat back door was on him. That's not a scheme problem.


Or for the very first possession, the play that got Malone all alone for an easy two on the backside. It was one of the best 1-2-2 busters I've ever seen.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 3:56 pm to
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How come no credit goes to the LSU coaching staff for that beautiful high/low play they ran to get Mickey a slam dunk.

'cause
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