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re: Breaking news: aluminum bodywork is way more expensive than steel
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:37 pm to stout
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:37 pm to stout
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Biggest expsense has to do with spot welders because the ones they have now won't do aluminum. A good spot welder will set you back 5 figures easily.
Most of the panel replacements will be done with adhesives.
Ford has selected 3M™ Panel Bonding Adhesive PN08115 and the 3M™ File Belt Sander as approved products for repairing the new Ford F150 aluminum cab pickup.
3M Automotive Aftermarket Division has been developing solutions for repairing the aluminum used in this vehicle for several years. When the next generation Ford F150 hit the drawing boards, 3M was there to work with engineers at Ford’s Paint and Body Technical Center on solutions for manufacturing the truck and to help make sure collision repairers would have the right tools and materials in place before the vehicle even launched.
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:59 pm to NOX
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Idiots drive junk RAM Trucks
Fixed.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:07 am to Them
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aluminum bodywork is way more expensive than steel
This really is no surprise, but aluminum will be used more & more since it is lighter, and with liberal Fed groups always on automakers backs, this will continue. Audi took the lead on this years ago, and Honda used it on their NSX.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:54 am to Them
This is one of the reasons a friend of mine opted for a new 2014 tell weeks ago. I'm sure the cost will come down as time goes on although I would be surprised if it reaches parity will steel work
Posted on 1/28/15 at 6:28 am to Helo
Why does it matter what it cost? Surely if you are buying a new truck for that cost you have enough sense to carry uninsured motorist and if your shite gets wrecked they pay for it.
My only complaint with the Edmunds issue would be the time frame. My trucks sitting in a shop for weeks equal no production and that pisses me off more than anything.
My only complaint with the Edmunds issue would be the time frame. My trucks sitting in a shop for weeks equal no production and that pisses me off more than anything.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 6:46 am to Helo
Why would the cost to repair ever come down? That makes no sense. thats like saying the cost of a McDonald's cheeseburger will eventually get back to $.49. The price has been set. It's double that of steel repair right now and it will only go up from here.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 7:03 am to GaryMyMan
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Do you buy a car thinking "well jeez if this engine blows I'm out like $12 grand" or "aw schucks, i'mma have to work a lot of overtime working security to pay for the potential body damage to this brand new truck."
Insurance is going to be a lot higher on a vehicle that cost double to work on.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 7:11 am to DLauw
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The 700lb weight savings of that body just decreased by 25-30 pounds of filler, glaze, multiple coats of primer, etc.
This is dumb. No body man that knows what he is doing would use 25-30 pounds of materials. The panel is straightened as much as possible to allow for as little filler to be used as possible. In fact, too thick of a coat can shrink over time and become noticeable and youre putting too much stock in what a few coats of primer weighs.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 7:16 am to NOX
LOL, no one wants your shitty blue collar Ram
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:02 am to stout
no shite stout. that's why i said i want to see a cross section of the repair. i don't believe they could have repaired that bedside enough to not warrant a trowel and form boards to spread filler. show me the backside of that panel. show me the corrosion protection applied to the inner after all the heat it would take to get the alloy back to it's original shape.
shrinking steel is an art and one i'm quite proficient at. alloys behave similar and in some respects better than their steel counterparts because you can move the aluminum all over the place but back to a stamped condition with minimal filler? i don't see it on that repair. the panel should have been changed.
shrinking steel is an art and one i'm quite proficient at. alloys behave similar and in some respects better than their steel counterparts because you can move the aluminum all over the place but back to a stamped condition with minimal filler? i don't see it on that repair. the panel should have been changed.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:09 am to DLauw
I can only imagine what the bed rails and fender wells on my truck would look like if they were aluminum. It would be so smashed up.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:20 am to colorchangintiger
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Insurance
is for suckers.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:24 am to Helo
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This is one of the reasons a friend of mine opted for a new 2014 tell weeks ago
That's what I would tell my friends too if I bought an old body style truck to save $10k.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:26 am to Them
So I buy a 2015 F150, and have to worry about the potential of one day incurring more expensive body repairs (covered by insurance), while saving instantly on better MPG. OK.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:27 am to DLauw
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Why would the cost to repair ever come down? That makes no sense. thats like saying the cost of a McDonald's cheeseburger will eventually get back to $.49. The price has been set. It's double that of steel repair right now and it will only go up from here.
Why does the cost of 1st gen TVs start at 4-5k then comes down as a base builds around the technology? Does that make any sense?
Companies doing the work must invest in new equipment as Stout pointed out plus now they have to train people on the process both of which cost money.
Steel body work has been going on for decades and there are thousands that can do the job but not so much for aluminum work.
Once there are more people with the skill and more shops with the equipment AND more cars with aluminum panels which require that work, the cost will come down.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:29 am to DLauw
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DLauw
Lauw body shop in Sulphur?
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the panel should have been changed.
I agree here but I just figured you estimating 25-30 pounds of added material as hyperbole is all. No offense meant.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:37 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Probably not. Steel would not have held up as well as that aluminum alloy did against those sledgehammer blows. Especially not the thin sheet they currently use. GM apparently has enough confidence in the strength of aluminum to use it as upper and lower control arms in the 2014 1/2-tons. I can't imagine many other parts that are as stressed on a regular basis as those. Oh, pistons, cylinder heads, driveshafts...
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:39 am to SmellslikeKevinBacon
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They took it to the dealership for body work? They were asking to be over charged.
Per the video, they called a local body shop to price-check against the dealership.
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Edmunds also reports the dealer bills aluminum-related labor at $120 per hour, where steel work is $60. That was cross-referenced with "their local independent shop" who quoted them at $50 an hour for steel, $105 an hour for aluminum.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/28/15 at 8:48 am to Them
Um.....sand, bondo, and paint. Same exact amount of labor. It is the exact same thing if you're replacing the entire panel, nothing different.
Only thing that should cost more is the panel itself. That is just dealerships/body shops taking advantage when they can
Eta: If you want to talk about welding, I have a $1000 welding machine in my garage that can do both steel and aluminum. You don't need to buy an entire new machine. Besides that, don't they just mainly glue them together and add like 6 spot welds now? Either way, there is no difference between the two
Only thing that should cost more is the panel itself. That is just dealerships/body shops taking advantage when they can
Eta: If you want to talk about welding, I have a $1000 welding machine in my garage that can do both steel and aluminum. You don't need to buy an entire new machine. Besides that, don't they just mainly glue them together and add like 6 spot welds now? Either way, there is no difference between the two
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/28/15 at 9:12 am to Black n Gold
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So I buy a 2015 F150, and have to worry about the potential of one day incurring more expensive body repairs (covered by insurance), while saving instantly on better MPG. OK.
Don't expect hybrid-esque MPG's. The new 2.7 Eco is seeing 26 mpgs highway while the 3.5 Eco is seeing, I think, 23 hwy. It's better for sure, but in the odd case that you'd damage the bed and come out of pocket on repairs, your fuel savings aren't going to make up that cost.
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