re: Kelvin Benjamin or Brandin Cooks?

Yea I bet he and his agent wanted him making less money. Don't be a sheep.


LOL at that dumbass article.

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These were smokescreens put out by he and his agent so he would fall. Benjamin wanted to play for a better team. He & his agent had the Panthers in mind.

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Benjamin was really good last season, but he's 30 months older than Cooks. We don't really have that legit #1 WR with a good size, strength, and speed to beat very talented CBs. Benjamin looks like that guy, but Cooks looks like the type that can terrify defenses and make things easier for the rest of the offense. I think that Cooks was also very poorly used for much of last season. He started looking really good once Payton figured out that he could run routes deeper than 10 yards.

ETA: I counted 7 QB's on teams that drafted before the Panthers that are without a doubt better than Newton. Two tossups (Stafford, Palmer).

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Benjamin is a great player but he had a lot of drops this year. That was something that was a knock on him coming in was that his hands weren't that great. He can make an incredible catch one play then drop the next three that hit him in the hands

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I watched enough of him at FSU to not want him over other WR's in the draft because of his drops. Before the draft, I wanted any WR out of Cooks, Landry, Beckham, and Matthews (obviously Matthews and Landry were 2nd round choices and I hoped we'd get a DB in the 1st).

After the season, I'd still want Cooks over Benjamin. Drops still continued and he was the only WR worth a shite so of course he had a bunch of TD's. Hopefully Payton decides to use him more like late in the season instead of that horsehit catch behind the line every time.

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Yea I bet he and his agent wanted him making less money. Don't be a sheep.


LOL at that dumbass article.

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One article huh? Don't be dumb.

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So what does this all mean? It means Benjamin might have just started a trend that the NFL would hate. For instance, if Jacksonville had a top-five pick and needed a speedy corner, the corner could just tank at the combine if he absolutely didn't want to play for the Jaguars.

Of course, tanking has its risks. If Benjamin had run a 4.41 -- a time he says he can run -- he might have been picked higher and therefore would be making more money.

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I've had some sources tell me they think he might go in the second round. He seemed like a lock for the first round at one point, and might still go in the opening round, but his star has faded," Davis wrote. At 6-foot-5, 240 pounds, some teams are concerned about his ability to play at a high level at WR at his current weight. It's also been mentioned by NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah, that some evaluators even think he could be a better fit "as a flexed out TE" at the next level. Whatever the reason for his fading star, now is not the time for a prospect to have his stock start dropping. However, we also have to be fully aware that this is smoke screen season.

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So yeah, basically I just made all that stuff up on my own. Some of you need to watch more documentaries on the NFL Draft to understand the poker games that are played by all parties involved.

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But if you actually believe it

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Do I believe Benjamin & his agent actually targeted Carolina? No, but I totally believe they had the idea of playing for a better team then one that was picking in the top 10. Playing on a better team would give him the chance to put up bigger numbers, faster which would mean bigger second contract.

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Playing on a better team would give him the chance to put up bigger numbers, faster which would mean bigger second contract.

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So let's say he ran that 4.4 40 he claims he can run. He would have gone, at worse, #10 IMO. That would have been around 4 years $13 million guaranteed with with a 7-8 million signing bonus.

Instead, he tanked his stock to go to a better team signing for 4 years, $7.6 million with a $3.8 million signing bonus.

So he threw away $3-4 million up front and $6 million total in order to get to his non-guaranteed 2nd contract.

And his agent was onboard too




Also, there are plenty of quality teams in the range that he would have been drafted. Hell, look at what Evans did without a good team around him.

The #10-17 teams were the Titans, Giants, Rams, Bears, Steelers, Cowboys, and Ravens. So if he did do it intentionally (he didn't), he's an idiot that gambled $5+ million to get signed by a team without a good offensive line and an average QB.

If he did intentionally do it, he is an absolute idiot with terrible money management and will be broke in 10 years regardless of his 2nd contract.

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If he did intentionally do it, he is an absolute idiot with terrible money management and will be broke in 10 years regardless of his 2nd contract.

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Where have I said it was the brightest move he could have made? I don't think it was very smart of him myself. Longevity is not guaranteed in the NFL. Everyone knows that.

Benjamin played well, but he had so many drops, was responsible for about 5 of cams INTs. He was a touchdown machine last season, but people fail to realize how talented brandin cooks is. Someone on here mentioned antonio brown, and im not kidding, I think cooks will be just as good as brown.

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The part you are forgetting is that he was slated to go anywhere from 15-32 prior to the combine.

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If he would have ran between a 4.4-4.5 at the combine, at 6'5 240, he would have been a top 10 pick. He's shown absolutely nothing to make anyone believe that he possesses that kind of speed either.

That would have been freak of nature, maybe even #1 WR taken, type speed for that size. AJ Green ran a 4.5 at 6'4, 211. The closest player I can think of to him size size would have been Brandon Marshall, and he was 6'5, 230 and ran over a 4.5.

His speed is good for his size, and it matches his other attributes. Nothing suggest that kind of explosiveness. It is far, far more likely that he's full of shite.

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He has the potential to be an Antonio Brown type of player. Runs extremely fluid routes. Likely can run any kind of route possible. He's quick, has reliable hands and knows how to avoid huge hits.

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This. He also seems very intelligent. The progress he made over the course of the season, as short as it was, was fun to watch.

Once we had Stills healthy, the deep ball returned to Brees and there was just too much speed to handle with Cooks and Stills being able to run almost every route.