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re: Tankless vs. Tank Water Heaters

Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19209 posts
Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:30 pm to
Two questions:

When using HOT in your washer, will you ever get actual hot water with tankless?

How often do the manifolds need replacing and does hard water affect lifespan?
Posted by Libertariantiger
Member since Nov 2012
981 posts
Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:31 pm to
Depends, but it is more to put a tankless in an attic bc they take a special exhaust. I would estimate about 1500-2000
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23595 posts
Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

will you ever get actual hot water with tankless?

depends on the amount of temperature rise you set it at.... but, yes... might be tougher to get there in the winter, of course, but yeah...

for me, it's about reducing my family's carbon footprint.... unfortunately, my daughter will have to live in this world, as we leave it, and if i can make it just a little bit better for her, great.... i just wanna do my part...
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7581 posts
Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

trying to make this house as energy efficient as possible for a few reasons....



What other energy efficienct elements are you planning?
This post was edited on 1/18/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7581 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:40 pm to
Spoke to a builder and he said his concern with putting a unit outside is that during extreme cold (house will be in Covington) there could be issues with the unit freezing causing damage. Apparently he saw this happen last year with that really called January weather we had. Anyone have thoughts?

I like the idea of putting water heaters outside as it will be 2 less holes punched in the roof.
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7871 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 2:21 pm to
My inlaws have constant problems with theirs installed outside. I believe the humidity around here affects the electronics. I have had one in the attic vented through the exterior wall for 8 years without a problem.
Posted by Mariner
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2009
1935 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 2:23 pm to
I have a rinnai. I like it. Buy one if you want endless hot water, not because it will save you money. It does not save money. It costs more for the unit and installation.

If you have a larger house you will likely need two units. I would place one near the master bath and one near the kitchen.
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7871 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 2:40 pm to
It absolutely saves you money in the long run by not keeping a tank full of water hot when not needed even with higher upfront costs. It's not a complicated install, I put mine in myself.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23595 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

What other energy efficienct elements are you planning?

extra insulation, solar attic fan, low flow faucets/showerheads, solar panels, etc.... whatever I can afford...
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

It absolutely saves you money in the long run by not keeping a tank full of water hot when not needed even with higher upfront costs. It's not a complicated install, I put mine in myself.

Unless youre paying cash for your house, you have to factor in the price difference with the interest rate on your mortgage, for the life of the loan.

15 years is the average time someone lives in a home. So unless you can see significant savings in that time, its a wash.

The average cost to run the water tank vs tankless is $15 a month (x12), or $180. Over 15 years that = $2700. Factoring in the difference in price, along with your interest rate over the life of the loan, there is almost no difference.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28164 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 3:44 pm to
I went with tanks, all electric. (Foamed attic)

Do not buy a hybrid water heater, they suck.
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7581 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

Buy one if you want endless hot water,


The endless hot water is important to me. Just don't want to sacrifice hot water for problems.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28164 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 3:50 pm to
You probably should decide first if you are going to use foam.

If you do, that will rule out (generally) putting a combustible unit in the attic.
If you don't, you can use whatever.
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24576 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 4:45 pm to
Tankless or GTFO
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15096 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

concern with putting a unit outside is that during extreme cold (house will be in Covington) there could be issues with the unit freezing causing damage.


They make exterior units with an electric heating element that turns when the temp. drops below freezing. However the pipes going to and from the unit would need to be insulated.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25438 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:02 pm to
Just add a re circulation pump to tankless.
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7581 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

They make exterior units with an electric heating element that turns when the temp. drops below freezing. However the pipes going to and from the unit would need to be insulated.


I figured this would be some sort of option.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23060 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:35 pm to
unlimited hot water is nice - took for.ev.er. for the water to actually heat up at my old place. we just moved and we have a tank hot water heater. not to say i wouldn't go back to tankless (because we have run out of water a couple of times ) but i'd probably go for the combo unit.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2501 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

Just add a re circulation pump to tankless.


how do you set this up and what does it do for you?

if you put the unit in your attic, don't make a straight run out the roof. water will blow in the roof vent, and if the wh is directly below the vent, water will tend to accumulate in the very sensitive electronics. ask me how i know.

the stainless vent pipe was almost as expensive as the water heater. the vent is now offset with a drip leg directly below the vent cap.
Posted by nolanola
Member since Nov 2010
7581 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

You probably should decide first if you are going to use foam.



I haven't fully decided but I'm probably not doing foam. What size tanks did you with? I have a 40 right now and it isn't cutting it.
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