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re: How you feel about the Dez "catch" situation yesterday if that were Colston?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:50 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:50 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Right after the CB nudges the ball a little bit Dez regrips the ball, takes 3 steps, and then has his elbow hit the ground before the ball is not in his possession again. He had enough possession for it to be a catch if he was going out of bounds and not falling.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:53 am to Fat Bastard
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i never saw ball hit ground and move
Did you not have your glasses on? The ball literally came out of his hand.Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:53 am to Chadzilla
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He had enough possession for it to be a catch if he was going out of bounds and not falling.
Wrong, you still have to maintain possession through the ground, even when going out of bounds. This is nothing new.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:55 am to Chadzilla
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took 3 steps
obviously a catch then. ground cannot cause a fumble otherwise it would have been a recovery and a TD, but this is pro ball where you have to be touched by a defender before being ruled down......
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:56 am to LNCHBOX
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Did you not have your glasses on? The ball literally came out of his hand.
guess i'll have to rewatch the replay....maybe they gave me a bad camera angle?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:00 am to TigerBait1127
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No, its a stupid rule that possession isn't established after having 2 feet down + a knee and control of the ball.
Never had control. Never made a football move.
starting at 10 sec mark
In the video you see that around 10 seconds he double catches the ball while he's stumbling. He never had full control with both feet in. Once he secures the ball around 13 sec mark, he start his lunge which ends with the whole length of the ball hitting the ground. Pretty clearly an incomplete pass.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:00 am to Fat Bastard
Should a been a catch, lots of guys dive for enszone and lose control of ball
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:01 am to Fat Bastard
Watch the end of this vine video, you see the ball clearly come out of his grip. LINK
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:01 am to LNCHBOX
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ng, you still have to maintain possession through the ground, even when going out of bounds.
correct and per the rule you have to basically maintain control for an eternity even after the fact. which is nuts.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:01 am to Chad504boy
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lots of guys dive for enszone and lose control of ball
Not in the process of making the catch they don't.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:02 am to Chad504boy
But he never established possession.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:03 am to Fat Bastard
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for an eternity
It doesn't need to be an eternity, just can't clearly lose grip of the ball when it hits the ground. had he not lost control of it, it would have been a catch, even hitting the ground.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:10 am to LNCHBOX
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Wrong, you still have to maintain possession through the ground, even when going out of bounds. This is nothing new.
I said if we was going out of bounds and not falling. . He had clear control and took 3 steps. That would have been a catch had he been going out of bounds and not falling.
ETA: That's my problem with the whole thing. Had he been not going to the ground it's a catch. If the ground can't cause a fumble after gaining possession then it shouldn't cause an incompletion after gaining possession.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:11 am to Chadzilla
Well, he was falling, you don't get to take that out. It also would have been a catch had he not fallen and walked into the endzone, but that's not what happened here.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:19 am to LNCHBOX
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Watch the end of this vine video, you see the ball clearly come out of his grip. LINK
ok, i think i see now what the replay official was looking at. So the argument is he never had control during the 3 steps before that either right? Thus them ruling it a no catch?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:19 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:The same way I felt about Dez. It was correct via the rulebook, but there is something about that rule that makes it seem senseless that that wasn't a catch and then a fumble.
How you feel about the Dez "catch" situation yesterday if that were Colston?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:25 am to TigerBait1127
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I'd be pissed at the stupid rule and made that it hasn't been changed after years of complaints
that's kind of where we're with that awful illegal contact rule.
guys complained over and over and the league finally broke down and complied.
today's NFL is so weird to watch compared to to the one I grew up watching.
I get the part about player safety but some of these other tic-tac fouls are worthless in my opinion.
and this "Calvin Johnson" rule that came into play yesterday shouldn't decide a game like that at a time like that.
although I thought it was funny because it couldn't have happened to a better team... crushing their dreams.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:29 am to LooseCannon22282
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and this "Calvin Johnson" rule that came into play yesterday shouldn't decide a game like that at a time like that.
It's not like there was no time left. The Dallas D wouldn't have stopped Rodgers from winning the game.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:31 am to LooseCannon22282
I feel like he caught it, took two steps, reached for the endzone and lost control all in the same process. By rule, it should be incomplete because he was going to the ground in the process of the catch, and in doing so, must complete process. Common sense tells me he caught it, fumbled it, and regained possession.
I think it was the right call according to the rule, but shouldn't be the rule.
I think it was the right call according to the rule, but shouldn't be the rule.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:35 am to SaintEB
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I feel like he caught it,
He didn't control the ball until after
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two steps,
and when he
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eached for the endzone
he
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lost control all in the same process
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