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The Lesson of Oil
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:16 pm
Oakmark
This was sent to me today by a financial professional that I know. Thought it was a good read.
I always thought that the high price of oil wasn't supported by fundamentals, and also the current low price isn't supported by fundamentals. It also spells out something else i believe - that the average individual investor is irrational.
This was sent to me today by a financial professional that I know. Thought it was a good read.
I always thought that the high price of oil wasn't supported by fundamentals, and also the current low price isn't supported by fundamentals. It also spells out something else i believe - that the average individual investor is irrational.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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that the average individual investor is irrational.
Water is wet... Shocking I know.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
I've said it on here a couple of times about high yield debt markets. O&G now constitutes about 20% of HY debt (previously, before fracking and Midstream booms, it was in the mid teens).
With a significant portion of these E&P companies levered up substantially, facing a high level of commodity downside exposure due to aggressive approaches to hedging (e.g., 3-way collars with floors well over $60), there is going to be some serious movement in that space.
The effects are going to be far reaching and could put upward pressure on cost of capital for everyone, leading to dovish sentiment at the Fed, translating to further delays in any meaningful pickup in rates in 2015.
Interesting times we live in.
With a significant portion of these E&P companies levered up substantially, facing a high level of commodity downside exposure due to aggressive approaches to hedging (e.g., 3-way collars with floors well over $60), there is going to be some serious movement in that space.
The effects are going to be far reaching and could put upward pressure on cost of capital for everyone, leading to dovish sentiment at the Fed, translating to further delays in any meaningful pickup in rates in 2015.
Interesting times we live in.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:10 pm to Lou Pai
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Lou Pai
I have no idea what that means
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:10 pm to white perch
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:21 pm to Lou Pai
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and could put upward pressure on cost of capital for everyone
I followed you until here (well, except knowing what a 3-way collar is). But why would the E&P companies being highly leveraged drive up the cost of capital for companies in other industries?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:50 pm to boosiebadazz
Please take my extremely unqualified opinion with a grain of salt. If anyone disagrees please call me out.
I say that because yield spreads over Treasurys (which is often the baseline) have widened because there has been a significant selloff among institutional investors of high yield debt. The fact that over 20% of applicable issuers is under severe pressure means that high yield debt in general is going to be weighed down in the short term, regardless of whether or not that's justified.
Cost of capital is derived from 2 elements: cost of debt and cost of equity. A major impetus for quantitative easing and keeping rates low in general is that it makes the economy's cost of capital lower.
One disclaimer, I was probably remiss to say "everyone". This really won't apply to companies that don't need access to hy debt, aka large caps, blue chippers, etc.
Re 3 way collars, derivatives aren't really my area of expertise (but then again nothing is), but in very broad terms, it's when firms take on additional downside risk to try to offset the cost of hedging under the premise that there's basically no way oil drops below 70, 60 etc. They aren't completely naked but there is a lot of risk to cash flows, which increases default risk.
I say that because yield spreads over Treasurys (which is often the baseline) have widened because there has been a significant selloff among institutional investors of high yield debt. The fact that over 20% of applicable issuers is under severe pressure means that high yield debt in general is going to be weighed down in the short term, regardless of whether or not that's justified.
Cost of capital is derived from 2 elements: cost of debt and cost of equity. A major impetus for quantitative easing and keeping rates low in general is that it makes the economy's cost of capital lower.
One disclaimer, I was probably remiss to say "everyone". This really won't apply to companies that don't need access to hy debt, aka large caps, blue chippers, etc.
Re 3 way collars, derivatives aren't really my area of expertise (but then again nothing is), but in very broad terms, it's when firms take on additional downside risk to try to offset the cost of hedging under the premise that there's basically no way oil drops below 70, 60 etc. They aren't completely naked but there is a lot of risk to cash flows, which increases default risk.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:09 pm to Lou Pai
I got lost in macroeconomics and just got by in intro finance classes, so I'm hanging on by a tenuous thread here, but I'm still not understanding why the bad, high-yield debt the E&P companies have is going to drive up the cost of capital in other sectors.
In my non-finance brain, I would think that the suppliers of capital (the institutional investors buying the bonds) would then look for other places to place their money. If I am in a non-E&P sector, I can offer my bonds at a lower rate because I just lost a competitor (E&P companies) in the marketplace.
Also, I'm about 40% confident what I just posted makes any lick of sense, so if I'm super far off the reservation, just don't even worry about walking me back
In my non-finance brain, I would think that the suppliers of capital (the institutional investors buying the bonds) would then look for other places to place their money. If I am in a non-E&P sector, I can offer my bonds at a lower rate because I just lost a competitor (E&P companies) in the marketplace.
Also, I'm about 40% confident what I just posted makes any lick of sense, so if I'm super far off the reservation, just don't even worry about walking me back
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:56 am to LSUFanHouston
Good stuff Houston, thanks for posting.
I agree with the author, coming out of the Tarp hangover with the third and fourth order consequences of oil prices and the probable rate increase from the Fed, 2015 is going to be an 'exciting time'. This is not your Father's market anymore.
quote:This is what separates the Herd from the professionals. But trying to figure out the third and fourth order consequences when, say for instance, the Fed raises interest rates, can lead to a 'this is your brain on drugs' situation. Then, even if you have it all figured out, the market can stay irrational as well.
Most people easily grasp the immediate impact of developments, but few understand the "second order" consequences... as well as the third and fourth.
I agree with the author, coming out of the Tarp hangover with the third and fourth order consequences of oil prices and the probable rate increase from the Fed, 2015 is going to be an 'exciting time'. This is not your Father's market anymore.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 12:39 pm to Lou Pai
With a pretty high percentage of the high yield market tied up in one industry, a big pop of defaults could spook the entire market. If it results in pullbacks of new money available for capital... it could make that money more expensive for everyone who wants it, no matter what industry they are in.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:07 pm to boosiebadazz
Well in the long term that does make sense, and my inclination is that markets will normalize to reflect what you are saying. But in the short term, the downward pressure is going to cause a selloff of institutional money (etfs, mutual funds, etc.) that will drive down bond prices and drive up yields.
frick les miles btw
frick les miles btw
Posted on 12/31/14 at 2:55 am to LSUFanHouston
This. Good explanation.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 3:28 am to LSUFanHouston
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It also spells out something else i believe - that the average individual investor is irrational.
At least the little guys have an excuse. The pros are fricking nuts, too, and they're supposed to know WTF they're doing.
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