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re: Re the police and the insurgents: Anyone else feel stuck in the middle?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:52 am to Scoop
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:52 am to Scoop
The genesis of the problem is not the cops themselves.
The source of the problem is a myriad of nanny state regulations and taxes that create the need for the state to add more cops and agents. Base line budgeting encourages these enforcement arms to spend more and more on equipment and personnel. They grow and grow and must look like they are doing something to justify their existence.
So they begin picking on the people over petty and trivial matters. The public resents it. Enforcement gets up their backs over the resentment.
This becomes a self-perpetuating negative feedback loop all started by government overreach.
The source of the problem is a myriad of nanny state regulations and taxes that create the need for the state to add more cops and agents. Base line budgeting encourages these enforcement arms to spend more and more on equipment and personnel. They grow and grow and must look like they are doing something to justify their existence.
So they begin picking on the people over petty and trivial matters. The public resents it. Enforcement gets up their backs over the resentment.
This becomes a self-perpetuating negative feedback loop all started by government overreach.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:16 am to genro
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Why do we need to talk about race?
People who say we need to "talk about race" never want to talk about race. They want you to listen while they lecture you on race.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:18 am to TrueTiger
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The source of the problem It is a myriad of nanny state regulations and taxes that create the need for the state to add more cops and agents. Base line budgeting encourages these enforcement arms to spend more and more on equipment and personnel. They grow and grow and must look like they are doing something to justify their existence.
Nail on the head.
I remember when Missouri enacted some new tough laws on pseudoephedrine to crack down on meth. Where was the first place they went to enforce those laws? Sample closets of doctors. Did that effect the crime the law was aimed at? Probably not at all. But it gave them something to do, someone to harrass and good stats on enforcement.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:29 am to Scoop
The problem is that the people most likely to experience the business end of the overreaching militarized police forces' guns live in communities like ferguson....so messy, out of control reactions are likely to be de rigeur. So we have this result....no change in the police because the communities they abuse react in such a way (and sometimes pick the wrong victim to champion) that the people with voting power get scared and side once again with the cops.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:42 am to Scoop
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My conservatism with libertarian leanings cause me to detest the militarization of law enforcement, the increasing role of LE as fund raisers for government entities and a general discomfort with the growth of local LE in the absence of any particular reason for such growth.
Now we have the insurgents that are against law enforcement and we have protests and riots everywhere you look. They appear to be idiot millennials and thuggish section 8 types. I don't like them as well.
I obviously support the cops between the two but I kind of only want to support them as far as is needed to crack the heads of all of these idiots that are rioting that don't care about the facts with concern as to why they are rioting. It never seems to stop at that.
Anyone else experiencing this conundrum?
exactly this
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:11 pm to Scoop
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My conservatism with libertarian leanings
Right there with you and doing the job.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:36 pm to the808bass
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:38 pm to Negative Nomad
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Good lord there are some pussies in this thread! Are yall upset you didn't get the participation trophy in grade school? All you guys do is bitch and little girls. Man the frick up.
WTF?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:39 pm to Five0
yes. Very much so.
More and more I have a giant disdain for the police force.
I know longer believe they are here to serve the public. I believe they have a them versus us mentality and it shows up in everything they do.
That being said this current crop of racial unrest is being driven by extremists and the media. The initial Michael Brown riots for example. Those were legit as far as the community outrage. The follow on ones were happening because it was must see tv.
I hate them all.
I do miss the days when police officers walked a beat and you got to know your local cop. Simpler times I guess.
More and more I have a giant disdain for the police force.
I know longer believe they are here to serve the public. I believe they have a them versus us mentality and it shows up in everything they do.
That being said this current crop of racial unrest is being driven by extremists and the media. The initial Michael Brown riots for example. Those were legit as far as the community outrage. The follow on ones were happening because it was must see tv.
I hate them all.
I do miss the days when police officers walked a beat and you got to know your local cop. Simpler times I guess.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:41 pm to Sentrius
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Ending the war on drugs would be a hell of a jump start on that effort.
Bingo. It would go a hell of a long way in healing the rift between law enforcement and the public. It would also make a cops job a lot less dangerous.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:33 pm to asurob1
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The initial Michael Brown riots for example. Those were legit as far as the community outrage.
Bullcrap. None of it was legit.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:52 pm to Scoop
I'm with you here. I do believe a majority of LE are good people who want to help their community. However, there is a high number of them, a minority but high minority, who are power hungry tools. Plus they are asked to do more fund raising, work more hours, etc.
If forced to choose between POS cops and POS thugs I'll choose the cops. But we have a real police problem right now, and the thugs are masking the issue.
If forced to choose between POS cops and POS thugs I'll choose the cops. But we have a real police problem right now, and the thugs are masking the issue.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:01 pm to cwill
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The problem is that the people most likely to experience the business end of the overreaching militarized police forces' guns live in communities like ferguson....so messy, out of control reactions are likely to be de rigeur. So we have this result....no change in the police because the communities they abuse react in such a way (and sometimes pick the wrong victim to champion) that the people with voting power get scared and side once again with the cops.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:01 am to LSUFanHouston
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If forced to choose between POS cops and POS thugs I'll choose the cops
That's a false dichotomy. You can be against criminals AND against an abusive, out-of-control government.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:18 am to ljhog
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You should absolutely join a law enforcement organization and save the community from the bad policemen.
and then this kind of attitude puts me right back on the police hate train.
cops are not beyond reproach.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:09 am to Tiguar
Keeping a close eye on the local officers and reporting unprofessional acts doesn't make you anti police. We should be held to a higher standard and in no way should we be beyond reproach. My department will discipline you in a heart beat for unprofessional acts, but they are are also very good at rewarding the officers for good deeds. We have lots of peer pressure to do the job right and idiots are run off a lot of time by that peer pressure.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:44 am to Scoop
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Anyone else feel stuck in the middle?
Yup and to the pro-cop or pro-demonstrator crowd, there is no middle ground. You either hate one or the other and wish death on them.
Its quite sad, but that is the mentality.
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