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Re the police and the insurgents: Anyone else feel stuck in the middle?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:26 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:26 am
My conservatism with libertarian leanings cause me to detest the militarization of law enforcement, the increasing role of LE as fund raisers for government entities and a general discomfort with the growth of local LE in the absence of any particular reason for such growth.
Now we have the insurgents that are against law enforcement and we have protests and riots everywhere you look. They appear to be idiot millennials and thuggish section 8 types. I don't like them as well.
I obviously support the cops between the two but I kind of only want to support them as far as is needed to crack the heads of all of these idiots that are rioting that don't care about the facts with concern as to why they are rioting. It never seems to stop at that.
Anyone else experiencing this conundrum?
Now we have the insurgents that are against law enforcement and we have protests and riots everywhere you look. They appear to be idiot millennials and thuggish section 8 types. I don't like them as well.
I obviously support the cops between the two but I kind of only want to support them as far as is needed to crack the heads of all of these idiots that are rioting that don't care about the facts with concern as to why they are rioting. It never seems to stop at that.
Anyone else experiencing this conundrum?
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:29 am to Scoop
I'm with you to a certain degree. I'm only 23 though.
come to think of it, I haven't witnessed one situation that would lead me to trust the police in any scenario. But I'm not going to burn down the local liquor store because of it
come to think of it, I haven't witnessed one situation that would lead me to trust the police in any scenario. But I'm not going to burn down the local liquor store because of it
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:32 am to Scoop
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My conservatism with libertarian leanings
I feel like I should be on the street with my cell phone camera in one hand and my ccw in the other poised at the ready either to get a LEO fired or take out some TPOS creeping up on one.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:34 am to Scoop
Yep. The police state is out of control. tons of stupidity and abuse. They're basically drunk with power and lack the necessary amount of accountability.
On the other hand, these protestors in Ferguson are absolute idiots. Neither side seems to care about facts when they are called out. The police unions are doing a good job of equating anyone who wants a more respectful police force, with the likes of those ferguson protestors. They are not complicated people anyway, so it is natural for them to see things as black and white when as you pointed out.. things are more complex than that. Ultimately they want to marginalize dissenters.
On the flip-side, many of these "hands-up don't shoot" people will simply resort to calling me racist any time I question their logic.
On the other hand, these protestors in Ferguson are absolute idiots. Neither side seems to care about facts when they are called out. The police unions are doing a good job of equating anyone who wants a more respectful police force, with the likes of those ferguson protestors. They are not complicated people anyway, so it is natural for them to see things as black and white when as you pointed out.. things are more complex than that. Ultimately they want to marginalize dissenters.
On the flip-side, many of these "hands-up don't shoot" people will simply resort to calling me racist any time I question their logic.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:43 am to Scoop
I feel like the Michael Brown case in particular is retarded, but many of the people who are upset about it have legitimate grievances against law enforcement tactics and their effects on their communities. People like Sharpton take advantage of those emotions and exploit them to stir people up over bullshite, but they'd have a harder time doing it if people weren't legitimately upset underneath it all, and as hackish as people like him are, this really is the only way we end up talking about race. It's fricked up.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:44 am to Asgard Device
Sooooo....
It's basically the Iron Bowl with higher stakes. Two entities I'm not crazy about wrestling for dominance.
It's basically the Iron Bowl with higher stakes. Two entities I'm not crazy about wrestling for dominance.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:49 am to Scoop
Just hate everyone like I do.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:51 am to Zed
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I feel like the Michael Brown case in particular is retarded, but many of the people who are upset about it have legitimate grievances against law enforcement tactics and their effects on their communities. People like Sharpton take advantage of those emotions and exploit them to stir people up over bullshite, but they'd have a harder time doing it if people weren't legitimately upset underneath it all, and as hackish as people like him are, this really is the only way we end up talking about race. It's fricked up.
Great post.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:52 am to Scruffy
That is solid advice that I pretty much abided by before you laid it on me.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:23 am to Scoop
I'm with you OP. I want both sides to lose the war. As another poster said, it's like the Iron Bowl. I just have to take it on a case by case basis and pick a side in each that most accurately aligns with my opinions. Sometimes it's the protestors, sometimes it's the police state. Ultimately I'd like them to weaken each other to an acceptable level.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:26 am to Zed
quote:Why do we need to talk about race? What good is coming of it?
and as hackish as people like him are, this really is the only way we end up talking about race.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:28 am to Scoop
yeah. I think there are serious issues with LEO in this country but, honestly, the last couple months have made me re-evaluate some of my stances.
starting to understand why they are the way they are when they have to deal with animals on a daily basis
starting to understand why they are the way they are when they have to deal with animals on a daily basis
Posted on 12/28/14 at 3:28 am to Tiguar
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I think there are serious issues with LEO in this country
You should absolutely join a law enforcement organization and save the community from the bad policemen.
Come on step up to the plate.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 4:56 am to Scoop
What about the stories of LEO actually helping people? Spending their own $ to buy the homeless a hot meal, actually saving lives, and other day-to-day stories you never get to see on the news.
I've got friends & family who are LEO, former vets who just wanted to continue to serve their community. They do great things for people in their community all the time yet the only time LEO gets recoginized in our country is when something negative happens, to their fault or not...
I've got friends & family who are LEO, former vets who just wanted to continue to serve their community. They do great things for people in their community all the time yet the only time LEO gets recoginized in our country is when something negative happens, to their fault or not...
Posted on 12/28/14 at 8:20 am to Scoop
Agreed.
There are serious problems with law enforcement in this country right now and it needs to be corrected as soon as possible. Ending the war on drugs would be a hell of a jump start on that effort.
But the race pimps and fake victims that are nothing but white trash and ghetto hoodrats are absolutely fricking things up and letting police and Bootlickers frame the debate and set the narrative going forward. They're a problem that needs to be fixed before we can go forward fixing law enforcement.
There are serious problems with law enforcement in this country right now and it needs to be corrected as soon as possible. Ending the war on drugs would be a hell of a jump start on that effort.
But the race pimps and fake victims that are nothing but white trash and ghetto hoodrats are absolutely fricking things up and letting police and Bootlickers frame the debate and set the narrative going forward. They're a problem that needs to be fixed before we can go forward fixing law enforcement.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 8:26 am to Scoop
quote:I get where you're coming from but to me, that's only a product of the fact that so many have simplistic thinking. Either you are
Re the police and the insurgents: Anyone else feel stuck in the middle?
1)A person who thinks cops wake up every day thinking "let's frick with black people"
or 2)A person who thinks cops can't do wrong.
Group 1 thinks that anyone now believing their assertion falls into group 2.
Personally, I think this is the result of our politicians successfully pretending that they are somehow "apart" from cops. When bad shite happens, the politicians suddenly act like cops are some self appointed department acting on its own orders.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 8:35 am to Scoop
Not really.
Militarization of police is very worrisome.
Peaceful protest is the best way to voice concerns.
If you break the law and riot, you're prolly going to be arrested.
Militarization of police is very worrisome.
Peaceful protest is the best way to voice concerns.
If you break the law and riot, you're prolly going to be arrested.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:19 am to Scoop
Yes.
I'd initially hoped Ferguson was a chance to address the over-militarization of police, discourage the self protection of "the brotherhood" and curtail the cultural attraction of "bully with a badge." That evaporated quickly once the political opportunists seized the moment instead and drove the narrative in a completely dishonest direction.
The protests are a bunch of crap, especially when you see Occupy and anti-capitalist signs among them. But, that doesn't mean we don't have a police problem that needs to be addressed.
I'd initially hoped Ferguson was a chance to address the over-militarization of police, discourage the self protection of "the brotherhood" and curtail the cultural attraction of "bully with a badge." That evaporated quickly once the political opportunists seized the moment instead and drove the narrative in a completely dishonest direction.
The protests are a bunch of crap, especially when you see Occupy and anti-capitalist signs among them. But, that doesn't mean we don't have a police problem that needs to be addressed.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:35 am to Scoop
what we've seen with the riots of ferguson is a strong example of why i can't go anarchist
imagine if those groups got together without any sort of policing/law threatening their behavior
imagine if those groups got together without any sort of policing/law threatening their behavior
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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what we've seen with the riots of ferguson is a strong example of why i can't go anarchist
imagine if those groups got together without any sort of policing/law threatening their behavior
What we witnessed was the state carrying out its most rudimentary and necessary role and that's to protect liberty and property and the state has the right and moral justification to stop these activities and carry about retribution against the violators of liberty and property.
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"The mission of law is not to oppress persons and plunder them of their property, even thought the law may be acting in a philanthropic spirit. Its mission is to protect property.”
-Frederic Bastiat
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“If history could teach us anything, it would be that private property is inextricably linked with civilization”
-Ludwig Von Mises
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