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re: Why has the Dow Jones done so well under the two recent Democratic presidents?

Posted on 12/26/14 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 6:54 pm to
Ton's of QE via the Fed

Banks are sitting on mega $$$ in reserves. That money is gotta go somewhere. So its flooding the markets, driving up prices.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 6:55 pm to
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Never understood the class envy


His statement is class envy.


then we agree.


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Anymore than saying the poor don't due shite for this country.


That isn't envy.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 6:58 pm to
No. Typing mistake.

Poor: I was trying to use a parallel. Substitute hate for envy. Should we respond to everyone who says the poor don't contribute has class hatred?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260788 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:00 pm to
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Should we respond to everyone who says the poor don't contribute has class hatred?


If someone says the poor don't contribute you feel free to call them anything you want, or make any value judgement you wish. No one is stopping you.
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
6737 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:01 pm to
All Libs are ogling over the Stock Market but..........how many Americans are NOT n the market????

Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:02 pm to
That wasn't the point, and you know it.

His post had nothing indicating class envy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:03 pm to
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His post had nothing indicating class envy.



Sure it did.

Lefties spend too much time hating on the rich. They aren't your problem.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22380 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:09 pm to
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Could it have something to do with gridlock between executive and legislative branches
both had majorities in house and senate at one point during each presidency right?


Yes. Don't remember about Clinton yrs but stock market took off in Obama yrs when there was not a single party in control.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:15 pm to
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Lefties spend too much time hating on the rich. They aren't your problem.
lol

I guess it is impossible to have the opinion that the rich don't help without being envious.

Do you even realize how ridiculous that is? His statement doesn't need to be read into. It can stand or fall without you trying to put your feelings into it.
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 7:16 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260788 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:17 pm to
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Lefties spend too much time hating on the rich. They aren't your problem.
lol

I guess it is impossible to have the opinion that the rich don't help without being envious.


No, it's stupid. Any rational person would disagree and realize it's rife with emotion and bitterness.

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Do you even realize how ridiculous that is? His statement doesn't need to be read into. It can stand or fall without you trying to put your feelings into it.



You don't have to be so upset about it, it's ok. We're all familiar with the class envy of the left. You can accept it now and move on.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71157 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:24 pm to
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Why has the Dow Jones done so well under the two recent Democratic presidents?


We're talking about two radically different economies.

Under Clinton, we created 22 million new jobs, had historically low unemployment, and enjoyed an increase in the nation's median income.

Under Ogump, we have the lowest labor force participation rate in decades and the people who are lucky enough to have full time jobs are getting paid less.

Under Clinton, the stock market was reflecting a fundamentally strong economy (no matter how much or how little credit you want to give to him). Under Ogump, the stock market is a mirage resulting from years of cheap money being given to people who simply move that money around instead of producing anything of value.
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:25 pm to
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No, it's stupid. Any rational person would disagree and realize it's rife with emotion and bitterness.
right.
rotflmao

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You don't have to be so upset about it, it's ok. We're all familiar with the class envy of the left. You can accept it now and move on.
Upset. Lol

I get it. You just really suck at divining intentions.

Apparently you are unable to handle class envy and the possibility that statements exist without class envy.

It is so much easier to just label something as class envy than to substantively address the position. Now that I know this about you I won't expect more.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260788 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:27 pm to
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No, it's stupid. Any rational person would disagree and realize it's rife with emotion and bitterness.
right.
rotflmao



So, you believe the rich contribute nothing? Have you looked at the percentage of income tax paid by bracket?



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I get it. You just really suck at divining intentions.

Apparently you are unable to handle class envy and the possibility that statements exist without class envy.

It is so much easier to just label something as class envy than to substantively address the position. Now that I know this about you I won't expect more.



When someone says the "rich don't do shite for this country" it's fairly easy to discern what the real problem is...

This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:38 pm to
Gridlock. The dOw loves it
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 8:19 pm to
I love how the Right plays the "class warfare" card so easily then turns around and freely pulls this "47%" bullshite or worse, the euphemism for black people: Democrats. Living off the government, voting themselves government assistance, benefited from affirmative action... If you'd like more I can simply copy and paste many more from this board as well as the OT. That's class warfare. That's race baiting. But I'll be damned if it's not done without blinking by those on the Right.

But let a liberal make any comment about the rich and Righties go apeshit. And the kicker is almost all of them aren't rich. They're so used to regurgitating everything their heroes on the Right say, it's automatic.

If the guy is "bitter" as you say, why the frick do you care? He's not talking about you.
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 8:21 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260788 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 8:39 pm to
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I love how the Right plays the "class warfare" card so easily then turns around and freely pulls this "47%" bullshite or worse, t


Good generalization
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19069 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 9:56 pm to
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Yeah just don't end QE and they will be fine

Actually QE3 has ended.
Posted by tigress4life
BR
Member since May 2007
956 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:26 am to
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jeff5891


These "massive gains" are simply "bubbles" that are artificially made, and rich people will get richer and the "bubble" will burst as it always does and then taxpayers as usual will be charged to make repairs to whatever sector this bubble formed in.

There is a big difference between "Wall Street" and "Main Street". A healthy Wall Street has little to do with a healthy economy which would benefit all.

The middle class which lives on "Main Street" is not doing well, is shrinking, and during this Dem presidency has seen its personal wealth level set back to Dem prez Carter's term.

Beginning with O's term the Fed has pumped 30+ billion monthly, then as O's recovery failed,that amount was raised to 80+ billion a month into the economy. This money is not based on anything; it is a "debt" and is being financed by the issuance of bonds which China has been buying since O took office. During O's first term China was provided a direct line to purchase this "debt", an arrangement this is unprecedented in the history of the U.S.

Both the artificial low level of interest rates and the pumping of worthless money into the economy aside; Wall Street's wealth is made on "bubbles" formed in various sectors of the economy.
It is no longer tied to a manufacturing base as it always had been. The final blow to an economy based on manufacturing came when Clinton gave permanent status for most favored nation to China finishing decades of destruction of an manufacturing economy by Democrats.

"bubbles" in the sectors of the economy have and will always burst. The housing industry/finance "meltdown" was simply that "bubble" bursting. Bush warned the Dems running Freddie/Fannie 18 times in one year of this, because the decisions Dems made which caused the bubble aren't based on any sound financial principles.

Mind you also if a crony of the Dem prez a big contributor knows what the prez will do, they can invest accordingly. For example the denial of Keystone has less to do with appeasing the eco-lunatics than with appeasing big investor/donors who would lose money if the method of transporting that oil would change.

The only thing to be learned is we have a bubble economy, thanks to the Dems, and when the bubble forms rich investors will make lots of money, and when it bursts the taxpayer will be called upon to pick up the pieces, duh.

Posted by tigress4life
BR
Member since May 2007
956 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:35 am to
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these massive gains

are just "bubbles" that form in various sectors artificially and as they are "bubbles" will of course burst.

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economic meltdown


This was just a housing/finance industry "bubble" that burst.
A big "bubble" because it took decades of laws and regulations that stripped sound financial principles from these industries.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34689 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:45 am to
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fundamental changes to Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Close examination of these actions show that the government made banks abandon sound lending practices and forced them to give mortgage loans to people who couldn't really afford them. Through Freddy and Fannie, the government acted as a backstop to defaulting loans. Literally these companies could not lose. These actions grew balance sheets for banks and mortgage companies pumping stocks further up.




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