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re: How did we lose 3 games in 2001 with a team loaded with nfl players?
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:53 pm to nm1230
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:53 pm to nm1230
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Miles is a better coach than Saban. 2013>2001.
Miles at lsu > Saban at lsu.
Saban's body of work puts him in the discussion of GOAT.
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Saban inherited a better program in 2000 than Miles did in 2004.
To be honest, Saban did push the administration to build better facilities, which did help lsu's recruiting for a a while
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Consider me converted.
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:55 pm to nm1230
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knowledgable in football that Miles>Saban
At lsu, Miles was more successful than Saban was at lsu. Presently Miles is a top 10-15 head coach , while Saban is on the short list of GOATs.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:00 pm to Laman1978
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you don't think that Saban would have won just as many as Miles during Les's tenure at LSU?
When did i say he wouldn't?
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So you feel that LSU will always be 2nd rate to Alabama as a program
I don't know if youve noticed but every single cfb program is 2nd rate to Bama. There isnt a coach in all of cfb, that lsu could hire, and surpass Bama.Saban is the best coach in cfb.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:05 pm to nm1230
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Oh yeah, and it's also more difficult to maintain a program than to build on
Look bruh. Im sorry you didn't know that but it is common knowledge.
Maintain a program over a 10 year period is far harder than building one up in 4-5 years.. use common sense.
which is harder to do?
Have 3 great recruiting classes OR having 8 great recruiting classes?
which is harder to do?
Average 12 wins over a 4 year period OR average 11 wims over a decade?
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:05 pm to nm1230
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. A staff is only as good as it's weakest link and Chavis is the staff's weakest link.
You cant be serious.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:08 pm to el gato
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According to USA Today, LSU's staff is collectively the highest paid in the NCAA. Bama is second, but their bonuses do appear to be better overall than LSU's.
Bama spends way more money on special assts and their recruiting budget is bigger. In 2012, Bama's recruiting budget was 8 times bigger than Lsu's.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:12 pm to JaxTiger10
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Saban is on the short list of GOATs.
The post Dolphin Saban is entirely different coach than pre Dolphin Saban. It's obvious the scrutiny & criticism he received & ultimately failing there, motivated him to reach a level in the college game where he would never be criticized again.
It seems he did a self evaluation of what were some of his downfalls at previous coaching stops & made a conscience effort to clean up the mistakes he made in the past.
Example: Saban used to love to use Zero Coverage blitzes.(blitzes where neither safety stays over the top of the coverage) Most times when he used Zero Coverage, the blitzes were double A gap pressures. Sometimes it work but there were times his defenses were burned by the big play without those safeties in coverage. Nowadays, Saban will still blitz but not as often & when he does, it's zone blitzes. That allows him to keep safeties back deep but drop D-Lineman into coverage while blitzing a LB. It's more deceptive presnap & the risk of giving up the big play minimal.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:25 pm to BigBrod81
Its glorious seeing all the Miles haters defending Saban using the same reasons that they wont let Miles use.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:37 pm to JaxTiger10
It's crazy. Both have/had flaws while at LSU & both were/are successful. Many fans let what he is doing now cloud their thinking when it comes down to Saban’s time here. Some are just dumb, some have bad memories, some just flat out never liked Miles from day one while others have sexual fantasies about Saban. They don't understand that Saban at LSU was a good coach while the Saban at Alabama is a coach that has been transformed into one of the all time greats. Without his failure with the Dolphins though, I'm not sure he gets to the level he is at now. He was embarrassed at what happened in Miami & that motivation fueled him into the monster he is today.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 10:00 pm to JaxTiger10
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To be honest, Saban did push the administration to build better facilities, which did help lsu's recruiting for a a while
While true, anybody knew you needed money to compete. Halman pushed and got the indoor practice facilities built. That was unheard of back then.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 10:06 pm to el gato
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Total staff salaries are in the far right column. Bonus money is one slot to the left of that.
And I'm saying those numbers are not accurate for the entire staff. Like I said, more than just assistant coaches are on the football staff. Ohio State had the highest payroll in 2013. LSU wasn't in the top 5. This is what is public record. Private schools don't have to release that information.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:05 pm to nm1230
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and it's also more difficult to maintain a program than to build one
Look, Nick was really good at LSU, but he didn't "build" LSU football. LSU football was a top 20 winning program before Nick set foot on the LSU campus.
If anyone raised LSU football from a terrible extended period of despair, it was GN. He took over after a 6 yr. period winning 38% and never having a winning season. GN took over a program that had won 38% of its games and NS took over a program winning 57% of it's games.
Nicks a fine coach, but he came at the same time the TAF and new leadership came into power to give LSU football a kick start like it had never had before.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:10 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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GN
GD?
Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:27 pm to DanglingFury
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GD?
Yes...my bad.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:18 am to BeeFense5
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Unreal how many lsu "fans" make excuses for a coach that not only doesn't coach lsu anymore but now at Bama while shitting on their current coach
x1000
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:41 am to JaxTiger10
jaxtiger, thank you great post! just finished up to page 12. i also appreciate your continued comments vs the haters.
haters don't like nor understand, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
haters just have to, just gotta, just want to, just can't help themselves, just one more time, haters just gotta hate!
i luv les and i appreciate nick, but the nicksuckin' is just vile!
haters don't like nor understand, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
haters just have to, just gotta, just want to, just can't help themselves, just one more time, haters just gotta hate!
i luv les and i appreciate nick, but the nicksuckin' is just vile!
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:18 am to JaxTiger10
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We were held back by coaching.
You are correct sir.
Saban was not a great coach until he teamed with a great program.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:29 am to JaxTiger10
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A staff is only as good as it's weakest link and Chavis is the staff's weakest link.
If we give Chavis another raise will he figure out how to stop the two minute drill?
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:53 am to JaxTiger10
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Bama spends way more money on special assts and their recruiting budget is bigger. In 2012, Bama's recruiting budget was 8 times bigger than Lsu's.
This is a thread all its own.
You have no idea how many times I've wanted to start a thread on the Rant designed to piss off our miserable fans called "How Much Are YOU Willing To Pay", where I would present these numbers.
As a fan of LSU (the school), I'm not willing to put my money into a football program like Bama fans are. I didn't go to LSU to play football. I went to get a degree(s). The football team is a great added bonus, but unlike Bama fans, football is NOT what my life or my income revolves around.
The poster who said earlier that we have a great coach, we just need to figure out how to pay the refs and recruits better....
Yeah, that poster was more right than anyone here wants to admit.
Even if LSU matched Bama tomorrow on recruiting, there are still other areas we would have to "catch up" on in order to compete consistently. Ask Auburn why they cheat so much. They witness it first hand in their backyard and have literally been killing themselves trying to "keep up with the Joneses".
I never want LSU to be like that.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 8:24 am to TigerGman
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If we give Chavis another raise will he figure out how to stop the two minute drill?
Has any coach figured this out?
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