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What do you think about AR and AK pistols with arm braces?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:48 pm
Something like this... I can't decide if they are "skrait gangsta" or a classic example of American ingenuity.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:50 pm to Clyde Tipton
Stupid as frick
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:53 pm to Clyde Tipton
most mind blowing loop hole too date. even more so than the bump fire stocks.
i still think they look kinda dumb though
i still think they look kinda dumb though
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:55 pm to Clyde Tipton
I hate AK's in general so I think they're shite no matter what you do to it. The AR with the arm brace is pretty badass just for target shooting and what not but useless for anything else.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:57 pm to Clyde Tipton
quote:i am confused by this sentence. Could you elaborate?
What do you think about AR and AK pistols
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
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i am confused by this sentence. Could you elaborate?
What do you think? Are they legit? Cool? Stupid?
What do you think about the obvious loophole? It's basically a SBR (short barrel rifle)...
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:01 pm to meauxjeaux2
that "stock" pictured in the OP is actually a brace. a fricking arm brace. this makes it legal to put on to a "pistol" (AR or AK) so you can have a barrel shorter than 16"
once it is sold, the ATF cannot regulate its use, so you can shoulder it just like a normal stock…but its a brace…mmk?
once it is sold, the ATF cannot regulate its use, so you can shoulder it just like a normal stock…but its a brace…mmk?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:04 pm to Clyde Tipton
With the Sig Brace running ~ $150, why not just pay the $200 for the tax stamp and not have to worry when the ATF changes their mind on the legality of the brace?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:08 pm to Clyde Tipton
Pretty great for a truck gun IMO.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:10 pm to Clyde Tipton
i could totally see you rocking one of these while wearing old school camo while drinking a tall boy 
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:16 pm to tiddlesmcdiddles
quote:
that "stock" pictured in the OP is actually a brace. a fricking arm brace. this makes it legal to put on to a "pistol" (AR or AK) so you can have a barrel shorter than 16"
once it is sold, the ATF cannot regulate its use, so you can shoulder it just like a normal stock…but its a brace…mmk?
i still don't understand. Are you saying those two guns shoot 5.56 and 7.62 but are not considered AK's and AR's? they look like them,just a little shorter. What is exactly "pistol " about them? Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:20 pm to meauxjeaux2
They are not considered rifles because of barrel length and are not sold with a stock.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:20 pm to Clyde Tipton
Pain in the arse to aim - you either need your arm straight out, or have to stand sideways.
Don't expect to hit anything past 50 yards
Don't expect to hit anything past 50 yards
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Regardless of the strap though it just did not feel quite right. You really need to turn the gun sideways to aim it right and it does not relieve much weight. It is quite difficult to hold steady as well, and even my buddy CJ agreed (and he is a much bigger man than I).
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:22 pm to meauxjeaux2
this is an AK pistol. it is a pistol because it does not have a shoulder stock, so the barrel length can be less than 16". if you put that brace in the OP on it, you have essentially built an SBR (short barreled rifle) because you can use the brace as a shoulder stock (legally) without having to go through the ATF and filling out a Form 5320.1 (Form 1) to "build" an SBR.
essentially the same thing can be said/done for the AR pistol as well, but because of the AR design, which has a reciprocating buffer and assembly that protrudes from the rear of the receiver, in the past AR Pistols have been less desirable because they are difficult to shoulder comfortably. the Sig Brace eliminates the "tube in the shoulder" issue.
AR Pistol (before the sig brace)
essentially the same thing can be said/done for the AR pistol as well, but because of the AR design, which has a reciprocating buffer and assembly that protrudes from the rear of the receiver, in the past AR Pistols have been less desirable because they are difficult to shoulder comfortably. the Sig Brace eliminates the "tube in the shoulder" issue.
AR Pistol (before the sig brace)
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:23 pm to 99DSTJ
quote:ok so what's the advantage of owning something that isn't considered a rifle? I don't get the appeal or reasoning behind it.
They are not considered rifles because of barrel length and are not sold with a stock.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:23 pm to meauxjeaux2
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What is exactly "pistol " about them?
This is an AR pistol without the brace:
This is an AK pistol without the brace:
Without getting into all the specific legal definitions, these firearms have a barrel less than 16 inches and/or an overall length of less than 26 inches. If you were to put a traditional stock on them they would no longer qualify as a pistol and would be required to register as an SBR.
EDIT: tiddlesmcdiddles beat me to it
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:25 pm to tiddlesmcdiddles
quote:ok.Kinda makes sense now but i still don't see why anyone would purposely want a SBR unless it's the pitbull owner types that just want it for show.
filling out a Form 5320.1 (Form 1) to "build" an SBR.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:28 pm to meauxjeaux2
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why anyone would purposely want a SBR
Easier maneuverability in tight quarters, light weight, you can add a suppressor without dramatically increasing the overall length over that of a regular rifle, to name a few.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:29 pm to meauxjeaux2
Look, someone who has never been in close quarter combat.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:30 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:
ok so what's the advantage of owning something that isn't considered a rifle?
Rifles have a minimum barrel length requirement. Pistols do not. Because technically it's a pistol, you can add the "arm brace".
Legal: (Nothing additional required to own one)
Illegal: (Without additional tax and paperwork)
Essentially it's the same thing, you're just not allowed to "shoulder" the arm brace legally.
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