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re: Good news for some. Pat Robertson says homosexuals will soon "die out"....
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:14 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:14 pm to FooManChoo
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The point, though, is that homosexuality is just as much of a sin as pedophilia and murder; God doesn't grade on a curve.
This. This right here is what I'm talking about. Pure and utter ridiculousness. The decline in participation is not about Joel Osteen. It's about you trying to tell me my gay friend is on par with a serial child rapist and murderer in the eyes of your god.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:14 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Everything is circular at some point. When you ask "why" to enough questions, it has to eventually lead back to a starting point that has no greater authority than itself. God is the starting point to spiritual truth.
Based on the laws of the God who you just said created such laws to show people they need Him.
Circular logic is circular
You can either believe it or not, but I'm pretty sure you don't.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:15 pm to FooManChoo
Right, he could have lumped homosexuals with those who look at women with lust. Or masturbators. But he chose to lump them in with criminals.
Hmmm, wonder why?
Hmmm, wonder why?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:19 pm to FooManChoo
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You can either believe it or not, but I'm pretty sure you don't.
From reading your posts the past few days, it's safe to assume I don't believe in your god. Truth is, somedays I think there probably is some sort of Creator. Other days I really don't care.
I consider myself a half-assed agnostic Deist
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:23 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:That message is no different from what it was 100 years ago or 1,000 years ago. While homosexuality is the sin du jour, you can say the same thing to an alcoholic, chronic liar, adulterer, or any other person, really.
This. This right here is what I'm talking about. Pure and utter ridiculousness. The decline in participation is not about Joel Osteen. It's about you trying to tell me my gay friend is on par with a serial child rapist and murderer in the eyes of your god.
People are leaving the faith because it doesn't offer anything of value. The message is not about Jesus Christ saving people from their sin; it's about how people are basically good people who should just love themselves because God loves them just the way they are. If that's true, why does it matter if you go to church or read your Bible or obey any of those laws? What such a message does is ultimately turn people into Deists, which is what you find today where so many people believe in God but fewer and fewer people go to church.
It's certainly not a condemnation of homosexuality that is the problem, since homosexuality has been condemned for 2,000 years in the Church, and even longer than that in Judaism.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:24 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:Christians believe this is a sin? Or did you just pull that out of your arse?
eating red meat on the Sabbath
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:25 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:To prove a point? I don't know why he did that. It's technically true what he said, but it also raises the backs of a lot of people, which was probably his intention.
Right, he could have lumped homosexuals with those who look at women with lust. Or masturbators. But he chose to lump them in with criminals.
Hmmm, wonder why?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:25 pm to FooManChoo
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since homosexuality has been condemned for 2,000 years in the Church,
Except for the Catholic priests who were raping boys, as though that were okay. And the Catholic Church covering that up.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:29 pm to FooManChoo
Yeah, I went to Catholic school so I'm well aware of that punitive, you're inherently bad and need God's forgiveness dogma, but I don't really believe it.
I'm a pretty decent dude and try to go right by people. I figure if I try to leave the world a better place than I found it, I'll be OK when my time comes. I don't need all the fire and brimstone to compel me to believe.
I'm a pretty decent dude and try to go right by people. I figure if I try to leave the world a better place than I found it, I'll be OK when my time comes. I don't need all the fire and brimstone to compel me to believe.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:32 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Yeah, my beliefs are what you could call "orthodox". I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, but written by the hands of men who presented the truth of God in contemporary (when it was written) linguistic constructs.
From reading your posts the past few days, it's safe to assume I don't believe in your god. Truth is, somedays I think there probably is some sort of Creator. Other days I really don't care.
I consider myself a half-assed agnostic Deist
My comments are more in-line with what most Christians believed prior to the 20th century when the Gospel started getting watered down and the faith became more about making new converts than teaching the ones who were already there.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:33 pm to FooManChoo
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Yeah, my beliefs are what you could call "orthodox". I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, but written by the hands of men who presented the truth of God in contemporary (when it was written) linguistic constructs.
My comments are more in-line with what most Christians believed prior to the 20th century when the Gospel started getting watered down and the faith became more about making new converts than teaching the ones who were already there.
And that is all fine and dandy and certainly your right to believe however you wish, but I can hope you understand why I don't want to base public policy in the 21st century on what you just admitted was 19th century religious dogma.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:35 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:Like I said, everyone sins, including priests and the Pope (I'm not a Roman Catholic). But even then, homosexuality has always been condemned by the Church, even while it may have been practiced by individuals in positions of power or authority within the Church. Christians are just as sinful as non-Christians. The only difference is that a true Christian will repent of their sins and ask forgiveness from God for what they do.
Except for the Catholic priests who were raping boys, as though that were okay. And the Catholic Church covering that up.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:37 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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because "they don't reproduce".
well that is a relief.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:38 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:It would seem that you don't believe even with all the fire and brimstone talk, but there's no use getting into that at this point. I'm sure you've heard the gospel message of Christ dying for your sins if you believe He did it for you, and you reject it as nonsense or unnecessary.
Yeah, I went to Catholic school so I'm well aware of that punitive, you're inherently bad and need God's forgiveness dogma, but I don't really believe it.
I'm a pretty decent dude and try to go right by people. I figure if I try to leave the world a better place than I found it, I'll be OK when my time comes. I don't need all the fire and brimstone to compel me to believe.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:39 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Actually not. Murder is one of the top 10 as is adultery and according to the Bible, divorce is adultery so Murder = Divorce
The point, though, is that homosexuality is just as much of a sin as pedophilia and murder; God doesn't grade on a curve.
Thanks for playing
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:44 pm to boosiebadazz
This. This right here is what I'm talking about. Pure and utter ridiculousness. The decline in participation is not about Joel Osteen. It's about you trying to tell me my gay friend is on par with a serial child rapist and murderer in the eyes of your god.
That is the way it is. The murderer is in line with the liar, the thief, the cheat, all those things that are to cause separation from God are sin. Sorry if it does not meet your expectations of life and God. God does hope you change your mind though.
That is the way it is. The murderer is in line with the liar, the thief, the cheat, all those things that are to cause separation from God are sin. Sorry if it does not meet your expectations of life and God. God does hope you change your mind though.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:47 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I can understand it, certainly. You think times have changed and we can't live by such archaic principles.
And that is all fine and dandy and certainly your right to believe however you wish, but I can hope you understand why I don't want to base public policy in the 21st century on what you just admitted was 19th century religious dogma.
But there is a lot of good application to be had from what I believe. Unfortunately a few issues (abortion and homosexuality) trump all else when it comes to those who disagree with what I believe, so the whole baby is thrown out with the bath water.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:50 pm to FooManChoo
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It would seem that you don't believe even with all the fire and brimstone talk, but there's no use getting into that at this point. I'm sure you've heard the gospel message of Christ dying for your sins if you believe He did it for you, and you reject it as nonsense or unnecessary.
ah shite I missed a foo thread...I am the disappoint.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:52 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Not sure I follow the point you're trying to make.
Actually not. Murder is one of the top 10 as is adultery and according to the Bible, divorce is adultery so Murder = Divorce
Thanks for playing
In God's eyes, if you sin once, you've broken the entire law. A sin can range from lying to getting wasted to killing someone in a fit of anger. In that sense, they are all equal. But like I said, the severity of the different kinds of sins is different from a practical perspective.
Or I could put it this way: homosexuality is a sin and so is murder. Don't commit either and you won't have to repent of either.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:52 pm to FooManChoo
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But there is a lot of good application to be had from what I believe. Unfortunately a few issues (abortion and homosexuality) trump all else when it comes to those who disagree with what I believe, so the whole baby is thrown out with the bath water.
No the problem with what you believe is you believe that someone can only be a good person if they are a Christian...which rather lives out about 3 or 4 billion people in the world.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 4:53 pm
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