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Remember how Brandon Jennings and 2 lottery picks is better than Jrue?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:35 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:35 am
He's not leading anyone anywhere. I'm still waiting for the better move than what we made, not the better concept, the better move.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:59 am to TigerinATL
damn 
and hes shooting 36% from the field...AR is at 40%
and hes shooting 36% from the field...AR is at 40%
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:00 am to TigerinATL
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not the better concept, the better move.
That's sort of the point though. No one can give you a tangible move because no one has any clue what would have been available. Yes, that includes worse moves too.
If the fan base is now saying give them a few years to grow or the west is too tough, I don't see how going with picks would have changed much of anything.
I'm also not sure why people can't disagree or be skeptical. It doesn't inherently mean they hate the team. People who liked the moves say just as many dumb things as people who didn't.
Perhaps Demps was ordered to be good immediately. If that's true, tough to judge his moves on their own merit. Your boss says jump, you say how high
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:02 am to corndeaux
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Perhaps Demps was ordered to be good immediately.
I can almost promise you that is the case.
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Your boss says jump, you say how high
Especially with this ownership and management group.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:11 am to TigerinATL
Brandon knight and 2
Grevious Vasquez, RoLo and 2
Grevious Vasquez, RoLo and 2
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:11 am to TigerinATL
I was about to post something last night about Payton and Noel.
I know they are young but Payton is in the midst of AR'ish rookie year.
6.4ppg on 36.4 FG%, 23 3pt% and 46 FT%
not too hot.
I know they are young but Payton is in the midst of AR'ish rookie year.
6.4ppg on 36.4 FG%, 23 3pt% and 46 FT%
not too hot.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:14 am to SirWinston
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Brandon knight and 2
Grevious Vasquez, RoLo and 2
What?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:16 am to whoknows1390
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I know they are young but Payton is in the midst of AR'ish rookie year.
6.4ppg on 36.4 FG%, 23 3pt% and 46 FT%
not too hot.
There was something of a local bias with the Payton love.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:19 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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There was something of a local bias with the Payton love.
yea i know but I dont buy that'd wed be in a better position right now with Noel and Payton and cap space than the moves we made. Noel is averaging like 8/6 and 2.5 turnovers a game(Asik only avg 1.6 for perspective). This team would be a really long way from contending if that was the route we went.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:24 am to whoknows1390
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yea i know but I dont buy that'd wed be in a better position right now with Noel and Payton and cap space than the moves we made.
I don't either. Both of those guys are NBA role players, which can be had in free agency.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:28 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:01 am to corndeaux
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That's sort of the point though. No one can give you a tangible move because no one has any clue what would have been available.
I think we have enough hind sight to play what if. Philly clearly wanted to hit the reset button and Jrue would have been eventually traded anyway. I'm sure any other teams wanting to make similar moves at the time has already gone in that direction, and that's the type of partner it would take to turn our rebuild assets into reload assets.
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I'm also not sure why people can't disagree or be skeptical.
They can, but you have to be the sort that agrees to disagree like you do, not say "Brandon Jennings + Noel + Wiggins > Jrue. Fire Demps!" This was actually aimed at Bill Simmons and the national media that make snap judgements based on cliff notes more than anyone on this board.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:25 am to TigerinATL
my primary gripe with the holiday trade was the cost...I'm coming around on jrue but he is not worth 2 top 10 picks either in concept or reality.
If sixers wouldn't budge off their price then we should have shopped elsewhere. He was not the only traceable young vet out there
If sixers wouldn't budge off their price then we should have shopped elsewhere. He was not the only traceable young vet out there
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:26 am to TigerinATL
Fair enough. We'll debating this for a while.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:32 am to corndeaux
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We'll debating this for a while.
Why
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:38 am to cgrand
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I'm coming around on jrue but he is not worth 2 top 10 picks either in concept or reality.
You can't get hung up no an arbitrary value for "top 10 picks." If you take the best fit available with both of those picks, do they make you better than Holiday. I really don't think so.
I don't have any issue with the Holiday trade. Those mid-late lottery picks are a crap shoot at best.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:39 am to Hester Carries
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Why
Because
Why not
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:41 am to cgrand
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If sixers wouldn't budge off their price then we should have shopped elsewhere. He was not the only traceable young vet out there
He was the best and the best fit for us.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:55 am to cgrand
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he is not worth 2 top 10 picks either in concept or reality.
Disagree. I would certainly agree with the sentiment, if you were talking about two top-5's, but not two top-10's. Google the numbers. The likelihood of a pick between 6-10 becoming a contributor of Jrue's caliber is very slim. The odds heavily favor the likelihood of drafting an Austin Rivers (I like him, but any person in their right mind would trade two of him for one Jrue any day of the week), rather than a Paul Pierce or a Clay Thompson, who are the exceptions in that part of the draft, and not the rule.
Jrue is worth the gamble.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:58 am to cgrand
Well I think the view on the picks from the Jrue trade were that the 2013 draft was horrible so that pick was nit as valuable and we would be contending for the playoffs in the 2013-2014 season so that pick would have been worse also. The 2014 options still weren't super great in the draft it appears though.
We are competing in the west so we need much more talent than longshot picks at this point.
We are competing in the west so we need much more talent than longshot picks at this point.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 9:01 am
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