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What's the reasoning for the boards hate with Avery?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:36 am
I can't stand Dallas so I didn't watch or follow him. I don't know much about Avery and his time there. But I know the board hates him.
I hear people in real life mention him and say he would be a good hire, but I don't really comment because I'm unfamiliar with it.
I hear people in real life mention him and say he would be a good hire, but I don't really comment because I'm unfamiliar with it.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:46 am to Chair
So he is going to be the coach that turns us into the Spurs?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:48 am to Chair
My #1 reason against Avery is his supporters. The people that like him the most feel that him being local is his top qualification. Local is a bonus, not a primary qualification, and if your most ardent supporters can't lead with a basketball reason for you, well that's not a good sign.
#2 I don't want another motivator as a coach. Motivating players is important, but we're seeing what happens when you're good at motivation but not good at tactics. I want a tactician. You've assembled a bunch of high character guys and have AD to lead them. Buying in shouldn't be a problem. We need a coach that can use the players he has properly.
#2 I don't want another motivator as a coach. Motivating players is important, but we're seeing what happens when you're good at motivation but not good at tactics. I want a tactician. You've assembled a bunch of high character guys and have AD to lead them. Buying in shouldn't be a problem. We need a coach that can use the players he has properly.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:48 am to Chair
We already have his coaching style on the team in Monty. Good motivator not so much on the Xs and Os.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:54 am to WB504
yep, what they just said. Nothing against the guy, just don't think he can take a team to the next level.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:07 am to TigerinATL
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#2 I don't want another motivator as a coach. Motivating players is important, but we're seeing what happens when you're good at motivation but not good at tactics. I want a tactician. You've assembled a bunch of high character guys and have AD to lead them. Buying in shouldn't be a problem. We need a coach that can use the players he has properly.
Totally agree. His players hated him and his message ran thin, very very quickly. He's a Mark Jackson/Monty Williams.
We don't need that. We need X's and O's. We need a thoughtful coach that brings in thoughtful coaches, that is willing to listen to them.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:29 am to Chair
He has an annoying voice.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:09 pm to Epic Cajun
I'm not trying to veil some hidden support for him. But is it proven that he was so terrible with tactics?
Why did Dallas let him go?
Why did Dallas let him go?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:27 pm to Chair
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Why did Dallas let him go?
His players hated his guts.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:49 pm to Chair
I am here in Dallas. He pretty much went from being in the NBA Finals to fired in a 2 year span. The players just got tired of him. Cuban had given him a big extention after the 06 Finals & just said screw it & fired him because he knew his time was done & the players had it with him. Cuban knows what he is doing. To Avery, every play in the game is Game 7 of the Finals.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:05 pm to Hetfield
oncealurker,
that got whacked pretty quickly
that got whacked pretty quickly
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:05 pm to whoknows1390
Whoa. I didn't even know we had an admin that reads this board.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:07 pm to oncealurker
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Dwayne Casey, Rick Carlisle's assistant has done pretty well up in Toronto making more than expected of the players he had. I don't know much about him honestly, but I'm assuming he's more tactician than motivator being a Carlisle assistant. Like I said give me a tactician, not a motivator.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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His players hated his guts.
Also why he busted in NJ/brooklyn
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:53 pm to Chair
He took a 67 win team (#1 overall seed) and lost to the 8th seeded Warriors. That had never happened before (in a 7 game series) and has not happened since. Avery made some moves that clearly hurt his team (started Erick Dampier and Diop[!!!] against small ball Warriors) The next year, they still won 50+ games and got bounced in the first round again. These were clearly talented teams that just tuned him out by the end.
He is absolutely what others have said. He is Mark Jackson. A fiery former PG who is big on style and low on substance. His motivational ploys gets guys to play hard (admittedly half of the battle in NBA), but it wears thin pretty soon, and his stubbornness will lose you games. Personally I think we have a better version of that in Monty already (Monty has not coached a team as talented as Avery's Mavs teams), but has shown at least some willingness to adapt to what he has. If we have to make a change, I just don't see the point in hiring Avery Johnson or Mark Jackson.
He is absolutely what others have said. He is Mark Jackson. A fiery former PG who is big on style and low on substance. His motivational ploys gets guys to play hard (admittedly half of the battle in NBA), but it wears thin pretty soon, and his stubbornness will lose you games. Personally I think we have a better version of that in Monty already (Monty has not coached a team as talented as Avery's Mavs teams), but has shown at least some willingness to adapt to what he has. If we have to make a change, I just don't see the point in hiring Avery Johnson or Mark Jackson.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:57 pm to LSUhornet17
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That had never happened before (in a 7 game series) and has not happened since.
Yes it has
Grizz over Spurs in 2011(or 12?)
76ers over bulls in 2012(I know Drose got hurt but it still counts)
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