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re: Dillard President wants to end tops for a lot of Louisiana students......
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:46 am to Poodlebrain
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:46 am to Poodlebrain
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I'd rather start continuation schools teaching remedial classes than send those who are unprepared to college where they are most likely to fail.
One of the reasons that the attendance has fallen down at UNO is because UNO is no longer offering remedial classes. If you need remedial classes to get into UNO, you have to go to a community college to take those classes, then re-apply to UNO.
Thus, UNO enrollment is down, and Delgado enrollment is booming.
For the health of the state, I think this is a good thing.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:52 am to Poodlebrain
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If someone scores below 10 on the ACT it should be prima facie evidence that person requires additional education to function effectively in today's economy.
That person needs to learn a trade. Not go to college. I pay a lot of money to house painters, plumbers and electricians who didn't get near a college. They are doing very well.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:53 am to Reames239
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They want to lower the universal, standardized score, but raise the GPA. Because they know that they can just inflate the GPA pretty easily.
This is exactly what they want to do. Fraud. They can manipulate GPA no problem.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:53 am to StrongSafety
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No, but as someone that actually deals with black people on a personal level, and knows many successful graduates from that school, I know that it serves a purpose, has good programs and isn't as jaded as those stats suggested
The point you are missing is that Dillard University is a waste of money, so much so that now they want to waste public money as well. The argument is not that black people cannot succeed in a university setting, it is that they are capable of succeeding anywhere they go. Therefore there is no need to prop up failing institutions such as Dillard just to have black people succeed. And on another note you are still one of the most racist posters on this board.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:53 am to TJG210
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I know lawmakers say they don’t want high numbers of students to lose the grant, so they’ve rigged the system to give the money to those most likely to succeed.
I'm sorry, is this supposed to be a bad thing?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:56 am to StrongSafety
I worked at Dillard for a while.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:57 am to Zach
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That person needs to learn a trade. Not go to college. I pay a lot of money to house painters, plumbers and electricians who didn't get near a college. They are doing very well.
Last electrician I had at my house had his 20 something son with him. I got to talking to the son. He had graduated from LSU a couple of years earlier (I don't recall in what), but quickly realized he'd be able to do a whole lot better taking over dad's business. The dad said it was a win-win, because he was having a hell of a time finding anyone willing to come on with him as an apprentice before his son agreed to do so.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
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There is also no requirement to pay it back if you don't graduate (which again, I thought should have been part of the deal).
Yep, it should be a student loan unless you graduate.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:03 pm to TJG210
The program was not supposed to be a needs-based program (we're awash in them) or diversity-based program (we're awash in them) - it was supposed to be a tool to keep Louisiana's smart kids in State schools while they pursue their education, with the idea that we keep them in-state after they graduate - to at least cut down on "brain drain."
How many times must we say this - merit based programs are largely color-blind. The NBA and NFL does not give a fig what color the player is - whether or not he can do the job. Ditto for the U.S. military - if you're good - you move up.
Why is this so difficult for the race-baiters to understand?
How many times must we say this - merit based programs are largely color-blind. The NBA and NFL does not give a fig what color the player is - whether or not he can do the job. Ditto for the U.S. military - if you're good - you move up.
Why is this so difficult for the race-baiters to understand?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:14 pm to Zach
No reason why the continuation schools I suggested couldn't also teach trade skills. The major issue I see is having the necessary number of students to operate the schools with some degree of efficiency to keep the costs manageable.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:17 pm to TJG210
quote:Is that even possible? Wouldn't that be close to a zero in all categories?
low-income students, defined by ACT as those from families earning less than $36,000 a year, scored 17 to 20 points below the all-student average in each area.
You pretty much get a 10 for spelling your name correctly.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:21 pm to TJG210
So is he saying the people that have money tend to be smarter than people that don't have it?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
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there is a link between income levels and student performance
Correlation =/= Causation
So called "high income" families are almost certainly composed of parents with, at a minimum, high school diploma if not a bachelors degree. People who place a value on education and transfer those values to their children.
The opposite is true for "low income" families, where the parents are, in all likelihood, disproportionately represented by highschool drop outs...people who clearly do not place any value on education and transfer that lack of value to their children.
Being financially above average doesn't make you smarter, but it is extremely likely that if your parents make decent money, they got there through education and hard work, and will instill the same values into you.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:42 pm to TJG210
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Most recipients come from families whose household incomes are “significantly higher” than the state median average. The state median average is listed at about $44,000, while the incomes of most recipients range from $70,000 to $100,000.
On what planet is that a ton of money for a household with two working adults and children?
Let's say Mom and Dad are both busting arse for 40k, combining for 80k a year. They're not qualifying for any government assistance. Take 20% off the top for Uncle Sam, and you get a combined 64k a year. It's certainly liveable for a family of four, but after mortgage, insurance, car notes, bills, groceries, emergencies, retirement, etc they're not throwing money around.
And their reward for being hard-working, fiscally-responsible members of society? A $20,000 college tuition bill, per kid, per year.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:47 pm to TJG210
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So we can turn all of the state schools into places like SUNO/Dillard where the state warehouses a bunch of folks who shouldn't be in college to begin with?
It's what the Ayers decision tried to do to Mississippi. In 2017, State and Ole Miss are out from under that court order.
Ayers decision was a case where a graduate of one of the HBCUs and his family sued the state and won because his education was deemed not as good as that at MSU and Ole Miss. The decision did three things:
(1) Funneled millions on top of millions to the HBCUs to waste.
(2) Required State and Ole Miss to have the same admission criteria as the HBCUs (no ACT required with a 3.2 High School GPA, 14 ACT with a 2.5 High School GPA. Its ridiculous)
and last but not least:
(3) Got some lawyers PAID.
The HBCUs have until 2017 to get their shite together and have 10% white enrollment. None of them are close. Jackson State even opened a campus in affluent Madison, 25 miles from their main campus, in hopes to attract more white students.
If the schools don't hit that 10% threshold, then State and Ole Miss can adapt their own admission criteria, which should go back to what they were before - roughly 21-22 ACT.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:57 pm to CptRusty
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Being financially above average doesn't make you smarter, but it is extremely likely that if your parents make decent money, they got there through education and hard work, and will instill the same values into you.
Agreed. I don't think not having money by itself makes you less intelligent. But, being poor is represented by a host of other problems, such as lack of family education, a sub-par school, lack of access to tutors, etc - and these things can effect education.
That's what I mean by a link between income levels and student performance. People who come from wealthier families on average perform better than people who come from poorer families. Not because of the money per se, but because of the situations that cause the money (or lack thereof).
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:49 pm to SpqrTiger
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I wish government did more to reward desirable behavior from its citizens instead of just shovel money to the lower classes day after day
Especially since this is where the majority of the money is coming from that is paying for these programs!
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:33 pm to anc
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It's what the Ayers decision tried to do to Mississippi. In 2017, State and Ole Miss are out from under that court order.
Ayers decision was a case where a graduate of one of the HBCUs and his family sued the state and won because his education was deemed not as good as that at MSU and Ole Miss. The decision did three things:
(1) Funneled millions on top of millions to the HBCUs to waste.
(2) Required State and Ole Miss to have the same admission criteria as the HBCUs (no ACT required with a 3.2 High School GPA, 14 ACT with a 2.5 High School GPA. Its ridiculous)
and last but not least:
(3) Got some lawyers PAID.
The HBCUs have until 2017 to get their shite together and have 10% white enrollment. None of them are close. Jackson State even opened a campus in affluent Madison, 25 miles from their main campus, in hopes to attract more white students.
If the schools don't hit that 10% threshold, then State and Ole Miss can adapt their own admission criteria, which should go back to what they were before - roughly 21-22 ACT.
That is so beyond screwed up.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:43 pm to Scruffy
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You pretty much get a 10 for spelling your name correctly.
The average ACT score in 1972 for Grambling freshman was 10. That was the low score among all La. Colleges. I was involved with the Robert Parish case and did the research. His score was 8. For those not familiar with basketball, he is in the NBA Hall of Fame. Nice guy but not very bright.
From memory the other scores that year were:
Tulane - 28
Loyola - 27
Centenary - 27
LSU - 23
USL - 22
NSU, NLU, McNeese - all 20 to 21
Southern - 13
Keep in mind these were entering freshmen scores. Overall student body scores would have been higher since a lot of dumb freshmen flunked after one year.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:49 pm to Zach
quote:Ha! Beat Tulame!
Tulane - 28
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