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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:10 pm to Choctaw
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LSU needed about 8 teams to lose in the final couple of weeks in '03 to get in. if that doesn't happen then Saban would've had 0.
i can play this game all day
When no one is alive to remember the 03 and 07 seasons, the record books will show 1 true champion in 07 and a split title in 03.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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And yet you brought up hardware as a knock on Les's redcord here. Make up your mind.
Saban has 3 NC's at Bama with only 1 coming out of luck honestly (2011). The others were an undefeated season and the third was a 1-loss title.
Meyer had two 13-1 NC teams.
LSU was the best team in 2007, but to act like a team winning a title with 2-losses is not luckier than teams that did it with 1-loss is a bit delusional.
People downplaying a national championship are stupid, but recognizing that it takes a certain amount of luck (and some more than others) is a big difference.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:21 pm to Geauxgurt
You think you guys might help your credibility some if you're going to do a big analysis on him by spelling his name right?
It's TUBERVILLE.
It's TUBERVILLE.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:24 pm to BeeFense5
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The guy keeps arguing in circles. It's like after you destroy his argument he moves the goal posts immediately into another circular argument to discredit Les.
He hasn't destroyed any argument whatsoever. He's given his opinion, yet taking over a 3-8 team to him is the same as taking over a top 10 ranked team that just ended the season before 9-3 and won a national title the year before that.
Comparing coaches with an even playing field (the SEC conference games) is crapped upon. Extrapolating opinions I didn't make and then attacking them isn't smart. It's a weakness. Same as saying "I don't like what your saying, it doesn't agree with my view, so you must hate my view.
I never said Les wasn't a better coach than Tubs. On the contrary, I said he was, but not that much better than some of you would like to believe.
It's like those of you that think Bama losing 1 game then making the NC is the same amount of luck as losing 2 games and still making it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:25 pm to timlan2057
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It's TUBERVILLE.
The horror, I added an extra b into his name.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:25 pm to Geauxgurt
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He's given his opinion, yet taking over a 3-8 team to him is the same as taking over a top 10 ranked team that just ended the season before 9-3 and won a national title the year before that.
Link to where I said they were the same?
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It's like those of you that think Bama losing 1 game then making the NC is the same amount of luck as losing 2 games and still making it.
I'd say in 2011 it required way more luck than we needed in 2007. And if you're being honest, you'd agree.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:26 pm to Geauxgurt
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People downplaying a national championship are stupid
You yourself are doing that in this thread.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:27 pm to Geauxgurt
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The horror, I added an extra b into his name.
It's revealing.
If you can't take time to insure you've spelled someone's name right, then what credibility do you have analyzing him in depth?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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Link to where I said they were the same?
You stated that 3-8 wasn't a rebuild and taking out Tub's first year wasn't legitimate. That means basically you consider their starting points the same and that should make Les better somehow.
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I'd say in 2011 it required way more luck than we needed in 2007. And if you're being honest, you'd agree.
Why? Yes, Bama didn't win their division, but there was only one other legitimate team to claim that and they lost to a bad team, while Bama's only loss was to the #1 team in overtime by 3 points.
Bama shouldn't have gone if you want to be fair, but if LSU hadn't shat the bed in the NC, then you'd have more of a leg to stand on.
In the end, losing one game and getting in is less luck than needing everyone else to lose 2 games minus a couple of crap teams like Kansas.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:29 pm to timlan2057
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If you can't take time to insure you've spelled someone's name right, then what credibility do you have analyzing him in depth?
What depth. I posted quick stats on his SEC record while at Auburn. That isn't some in depth analysis.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:30 pm to Geauxgurt
i actually think they are about the same, didnt really need to read this to believe it...I dont think Miles is worth the money we are paying him thats for damn sure..
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:30 pm to Geauxgurt
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You stated that 3-8 wasn't a rebuild and taking out Tub's first year wasn't legitimate.
It wasn't.
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That means basically you consider their starting points the same and that should make Les better somehow.
Swing and a miss.
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Why?
Not even worth a response after this.Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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You yourself are doing that in this thread.
How? An NC is an NC. By me saying it takes luck to get one when comparing Les to other coaches like Richt and Tuberville, doesn't mean it means anything less.
The fact is, it's not fair to eliminate those guys from comparison because they didn't get as lucky in their top years.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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It wasn't.
So Taking over a losing team is equal to taking over a top 10 team to you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:33 pm to Geauxgurt
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How?
Go back a couple pages. It's right there unless you edited.
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The fact is, it's not fair to eliminate those guys from comparison because they didn't get as lucky in their top years.
Yet you don't consider that Les could have a couple more some luck going his way.
You're talking out both sides of your mouth, which like I said in my first reply to this thread.... Shocker.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:34 pm to Geauxgurt
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So Taking over a losing team is equal to taking over a top 10 team to you.
What did that losing team do just 6 games before the other coach left?
ETA: Be careful how you answer, because if you say the year before didn't matter, you no longer get to make all the Saban's recruits excuses for 2007.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:38 pm to LNCHBOX
Tubs had some damn good teams and for a while there, the annual game with Auburn was as big as the Bama game is now.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:41 pm to Salmon
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yeah...Tubberville was a good coach at Auburn he also went 5-7 his last year
Fair enough but lets not act like Miles isn't capable of a 5-7 season as well. Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:45 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Fair enough but lets not act like Miles isn't capable of a 5-7 season as well.
Why exactly do you say this like it's some sort of truth?
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