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re: Les Miles vs Tommy Tuberville (an SEC Tale)
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:50 am to Geauxgurt
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:50 am to Geauxgurt
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So now we are claiming the SEC is tougher because it makes Les look better. The conference had some down years in the last 10 seasons, but outside of 2 maybe three really good teams, the rest of the conference has been average to slightly above average most seasons. This season is an exception, not a rule.
Hell of an assumption you made there. We are claiming that the SEC West is more difficult because it fricking is more difficult.
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:50 am to Geauxgurt
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5 years earlier to the 3-8 season. So one extra year made Saban rebuild and thus Les took over the same situation as Saban and
Not as saban but you think LSU was as good as auburn in the 90s?
I think tubberville was a good coach. He wasn't rebuilding Auburn though. Neither was Les rebuilding LSU. So I don't see why you are taking seasons out.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:50 am to Geauxgurt
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So now we are claiming the SEC is tougher because it makes Les look better.
"Claiming" ? If you cannot admit that the SEC West in 2014 is light years ahead of the SEC West in 1997, you are either not being honest or not paying attention.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:51 am to Geauxgurt
Tubberville was the Auburn coach because Terry Bowden lost 3 centers in one year.
Les Miles was the LSU coach because the owner of Blockbuster played his part in Sexton's grand scheme of let Saban try to be Don Shula in the NFL, and if he fails, Saban can be Bear Bryant in the SEC.
Les Miles was the LSU coach because the owner of Blockbuster played his part in Sexton's grand scheme of let Saban try to be Don Shula in the NFL, and if he fails, Saban can be Bear Bryant in the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:52 am to Navytiger74
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Honestly don't get the point. Most people who were paying attention realize that Tubbs was a good coach at Auburn. I think Les is a better coach, but it's not as though most people dump on Tuberville as though he's a scrub. He was a hell of a game-day coach.
It wasn't meant to be a knock. Tubs was a very good coach, as is Les, who is also better overall than Tubs. They took over different situations, but the point is that the success in SEC was surprisingly not much different.
Again, Les is a better coach to me, largely because of his recruiting ability. I am not trying to knock Les, but make a comparison.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:55 am to ironsides
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Hell of an assumption you made there. We are claiming that the SEC West is more difficult because it fricking is more difficult.
This year? Yes. It very much is. It hasn't been like this all 10 years and not even close for more than half the years. That's like claiming 2011's SEC West was amazing. It was a bad year, but the top half was good and the rest of the SEC sucked minus UGA.
I don't think there has been an SEC West year like this year, but trying to extrapolate that this year is how it has been for Miles' whole tenure is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:57 am to dgnx6
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I think tubberville was a good coach. He wasn't rebuilding Auburn though. Neither was Les rebuilding LSU. So I don't see why you are taking seasons out.
Because taking a team that was 3-8 compared to 9-3 was a pretty big difference. It made sense to look at the programs when they were at least on equal footing.
People use the term rebuilding for this season for LSU, yet I can't use it for Auburn in 1999?
It doesn't mean a program in shambles.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:58 am to Cold Cous Cous
The SEC is harder. The two toughest seasons LSU has played. Were 2011 and 2007. Rounding out the top 5 was 88, 73, 55.
2011 was the best team LSU had. It beats out 58, 2003, 62 and 61.
2011 was the best team LSU had. It beats out 58, 2003, 62 and 61.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:59 am to Geauxgurt
The fuking CLM lovers are obnoxious, OP can not make a comparison between any others with there beloved without taking or assuming any offensive (no pun) against their idol!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:01 pm to jhhingle
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The fuking CLM lovers are obnoxious, OP can not make a comparison between any others with there beloved without taking or assuming any offensive (no pun) against their idol!
There was offense in it. Don't be mad you're too stupid to see it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:01 pm to Geauxgurt
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People use the term rebuilding for this season for LSU, yet I can't use it for Auburn in 1999?
Just the way you said it was like Auburn was some shite program. They weren't. Still don't know why you are taking out a season. But anyway tubbs doesn't get shite on like Les does. And they had similar records. Les being better.
And honestly Bowden's last year the team was riddled with injuries. Just some bad luck and it ended up being a bad season. I just look at rebuilding a diff way I guess.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:01 pm to Geauxgurt
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They took over different situations, but the point is that the success in SEC was surprisingly not much different.
05-present SEC West >>>>>>>>>>>>> 99-09 SEC West. We/Auburn won the west with 3 losses in 2001. Tubbs was still a good coach, though.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:02 pm to jhhingle
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The fuking CLM lovers are obnoxious
No, its definitely the people that continue to shite on the program and coaches day to day who are the obnoxious ones.
Are you calling fans that actually support their team "obnoxious"?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:05 pm to LNCHBOX
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There was offense in it. Don't be mad you're too stupid to see it.
Posting a comparison of records now has offense to it.
You assuming I think Tubberville is a bad coach?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:07 pm to Geauxgurt
Your post history betrays you.
And it's clear as day that you made this particular post to show that what Les has done isn't all that special. You've said as much. Don't back down now.
ETA: Or are we not supposed to see right through this:
And it's clear as day that you made this particular post to show that what Les has done isn't all that special. You've said as much. Don't back down now.
ETA: Or are we not supposed to see right through this:
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Also, people should remember that Tubberville rebuilt Auburn. In the end, both he and Miles are very good coaches, but overall record is a bit misleading in some cases.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:11 pm to jhhingle
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The fuking CLM lovers are obnoxious, OP can not make a comparison between any others with there beloved without taking or assuming any offensive (no pun) against their idol!
It cuts both ways. Some claim to be real fans and defend Les to no fault, while others claim the same thing while wishing for LSU to lose to get rid of Les and claiming he sucks.
While you can't ignore the success Les has had, I don't see it as unprecedented as some here want to believe.
Two SEC coaches in the same time that Miles has been here have outperformed him (Saban and Meyer). Miles is also equivalent to Richt in SEC play. Richt is 78-34 in 14 years (70%) and has 2 SEC titles. He didn't have the benefit of others losing in 2002 to get into the NC game.
Les is in that top tier of SEC coaches over the past 15 years with Richt and Tubberville along with Meyer, Saban, and Spurrier.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:13 pm to Geauxgurt
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I don't see it as unprecedented as some here want to believe.
The best 10 year run in our school's history isn't unprecedented?
Really?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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Your post history betrays you.
My history is I think Les is a good coach, but overrated by some. I think his flaws hurt his teams significantly, and that the teams performance in the title game in 2011 really destroyed his image for most.
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And it's clear as day that you made this particular post to show that what Les has done isn't all that special. You've said as much. Don't back down now.
It is still special. Only like 5 coaches have had similar runs in the SEC (not NCs) in that same time frame in Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, Tubberville, and Richt.
My point with overall record is that people trying to attack it aren't looking at something that is even across the board. LSU, for example, has played much harder OOC opponents most seasons as compared to Bama. Auburn usually was that way while Tubberville was there too.
One thing that you can look at that is relatively controlled is conference schedules.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:15 pm to Geauxgurt
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It is still special. Only like 5 coaches have had similar runs in the SEC (not NCs
Can you stop with excluding things? You don't get to do that just when it suits you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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The best 10 year run in our school's history isn't unprecedented?
Really?
It has resulted in exactly the same amount of hardware as a 5 year run prior to Les taking over. Les has a ton of wins and 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC titles and 1 NC to show for himself. He's also gone to 3 BCS bowl games in 10 years.
I also look at where the team was when he started, and see what kind of talent he came into. You can also look at his last 7 years where the team was all his fingerprints from recruits to all his coaches, etc.
He's still had a great run, and people calling for him to be fired are stupid.
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