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the progressive left... against free speech
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:48 pm
against an open dialog that refutes any of their "ideas" and against anything they don't deem being politically correct...
fortunately they have bedmates like the Boehners of the Republican party to keep them company, easy to see why they fear the hell out of anyone who really challenges their weak position..
after Theil was cancled you get the brilliance of the berkeley leftists, who suck from the teat of comu-corporates like Soros and are funded by the tax payers:
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Thiel being shut down made my night! Lol. #berkeleyprotests
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Peter Thiel is one of the most powerful men in the country. LOVE to #berkeleyprotests for shutting his arse up. #ThielAtBerkeley
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Thiel's Palantir is funded by CIA. Spies on people so they can rape forcefeed you through your arse. #berkeleyprotests #ThielAtBerkeley
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:53 pm to Jagd Tiger
"Free speech" comes from the First Amendment and means that the government will not abridge the rights of citizens to speak freely. It does not guarantee that a person's speech has to be tolerated by other citizens.
A protest of someone else's speech is, itself, a form of speech. I doubt that many of those protesters think that the government should step in and stop Thiel's speech. They did it themselves, which is their right as citizens.
I know you're trying to point out hypocrisy, but in criticizing the protesters, aren't you condemning their speech? That's the same thing they did to Thiel.
A protest of someone else's speech is, itself, a form of speech. I doubt that many of those protesters think that the government should step in and stop Thiel's speech. They did it themselves, which is their right as citizens.
I know you're trying to point out hypocrisy, but in criticizing the protesters, aren't you condemning their speech? That's the same thing they did to Thiel.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:56 pm to Jagd Tiger
As long as it is speech they agree with, they are totally for free speech. 
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:56 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I know you're trying to point out hypocrisy, but in criticizing the protesters, aren't you condemning their speech? That's the same thing they did to Thiel.
I'm enjoying their lack of tolerance. I've seen quite a bit of it lately.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:59 pm to TrueTiger
You're missing the point. You said they are against free speech, but that's not true. They are not against the institution of Free Speech that is guaranteed in the First Amendment, for the reasons I explained.
They are against that guy's speech, and that's their right. They are perfectly entitled to shout the other guy down. That's one of the nice things about the United States--citizens have the power and privilege to speak up against people with whom they disagree.
Do you think Patriot Guard Riders are against "free speech"? They show up in large numbers to drown out the Westboro Baptists assholes and to keep their message from making an impact. Does that mean they hate free speech? Of course not.
They are against that guy's speech, and that's their right. They are perfectly entitled to shout the other guy down. That's one of the nice things about the United States--citizens have the power and privilege to speak up against people with whom they disagree.
Do you think Patriot Guard Riders are against "free speech"? They show up in large numbers to drown out the Westboro Baptists assholes and to keep their message from making an impact. Does that mean they hate free speech? Of course not.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Everyone is intolerant of something. That's a silly semantic game to play, imo.
I'm enjoying their lack of tolerance. I've seen quite a bit of it lately.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:00 pm to TrueTiger
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As long as it is speech they agree with, they are totally for free speech.
this pretty much applies to everyone. Everyone likes free speech until someone says something they don't like.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:00 pm to Hog on the Hill
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A protest of someone else's speech is, itself, a form of speech. I doubt that many of those protesters think that the government should step in and stop Thiel's speech. They did it themselves, which is their right as citizens.
I know you're trying to point out hypocrisy, but in criticizing the protesters, aren't you condemning their speech? That's the same thing they did to Thiel.
Well, their form of "free speech" would more accurately be described as censorship, which is the lowest form of "free speech" an individual or group can choose to engage in.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:08 pm to UGATiger26
quote:Even if it's censoring Westboro Baptist folks who show up at the funeral of a soldier who was killed in combat?
Well, their form of "free speech" would more accurately be described as censorship, which is the lowest form of "free speech" an individual or group can choose to engage in.
Anyway, my point is that protesting someone else's speech is not equal to opposing the institution of free speech (as it appears in the Constitution).
I don't think there's much else I can contribute to the conversation without repeating myself so I'll bow out of the thread.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:09 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Everyone is intolerant of something. That's a silly semantic game to play, imo.
Too bad it's overplayed. I don't have an issue with it being reversed.
Interestingly the protesters broke up an audience participation event where the speaker was just about to discuss the value of political protest. I guess they kind of shite on the idea.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yeah I thought that was funny.
Interestingly the protesters broke up an audience participation event where the speaker was just about to discuss the value of political protest. I guess they kind of shite on the idea.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:10 pm to Hawkeye95
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Everyone likes free speech until someone says something they don't like.
Most of us are adult enough to tolerate it.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:28 pm to Hawkeye95
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this pretty much applies to everyone. Everyone likes free speech until someone says something they don't like.
OK, give me an example of where the right has suggested making speech they don't agree with illegal.
The opposite is rife with examples. The left cannot tolerate free speech.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:30 pm to Hog on the Hill
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"Free speech" comes from the First Amendment and means that the government will not abridge the rights of citizens to speak freely. It does not guarantee that a person's speech has to be tolerated by other citizens
Ugh, you have this arse backward. The first amendment guarantees that the Government cannot prevent the freedom of speech. The implication is that free speech is not something conferred by the Government. The concept of freedom of speech does not originate with the 1st amendment.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:02 pm to Jagd Tiger
Berkeley kids are fricking hopeless. Peter Thiel is a great man, and if they don't want to listen I'm sure he'll make better use of his time elsewhere.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:04 pm to Jagd Tiger
protesting isn't about being heard
it's either about destroying shite or shutting someone up.
it's either about destroying shite or shutting someone up.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:24 pm to Jagd Tiger
Speech is speech is speech.
If you don't like it don't listen.
If you don't like it don't listen.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:39 pm to Zach
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OK, give me an example of where the right has suggested making speech they don't agree with illegal.
The opposite is rife with examples. The left cannot tolerate free speech.
Crackdown on Porn
Arresting of person with a kerry button at bush rally.
Free speech zones
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:43 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Will. Never. Happen.
Crackdown on Porn
quote:Had to be because he was wearing the button, I'm sure there were no other reasons.
Arresting of person with a kerry button at bush rally.
quote:Link to anything other than Harry Reid's attempts at this?
Free speech zones
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:50 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Will. Never. Happen.
ashcroft arrested a ton of people over porn distribution charges
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Had to be because he was wearing the button, I'm sure there were no other reasons.
No, it really happened. Quite a few times
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Link to anything other than Harry Reid's attempts at this?
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Its been used by both sides, but was pretty big deal in 2004.
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