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re: LSU makes the coach
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:02 pm to Broham
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:02 pm to Broham
Broturd - seriously you are a fricking idiot! So LSU makes the coach uhhhh? What about Gerry DiNardo, Curley Hallman, MIke Archer and Jerry Stovall?
Whether you or anyone else wants to believe it, Saban brought back the swagger to LSU football where other coaches couldn't. Yes it is easier to recruit Louisiana kids to LSU that other state schools. Yes Louisiana is littered with D1 and NFL talent. But it takes a good recruiter and good coach to develop that talent. They just don't jump from high school to the NFL, that is basketball not football. They need to be coached up and looking at the list of LSU alumni playing in the NFL Miles and Saban both did a hell of a job.
The day people think that LSU makes the coach is the day we are doomed to failure.
Whether you or anyone else wants to believe it, Saban brought back the swagger to LSU football where other coaches couldn't. Yes it is easier to recruit Louisiana kids to LSU that other state schools. Yes Louisiana is littered with D1 and NFL talent. But it takes a good recruiter and good coach to develop that talent. They just don't jump from high school to the NFL, that is basketball not football. They need to be coached up and looking at the list of LSU alumni playing in the NFL Miles and Saban both did a hell of a job.
The day people think that LSU makes the coach is the day we are doomed to failure.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:02 pm to VermilionTiger
[quote]Just like USC made a coach after Carrol Just like UF made a coach after Meyer Just like ND made a coach prior to Kelly Just like Tennessee made a coach after Fulmer [/quote
Gerry DiNardo had a 10 win season and came within a game of winning the West twice while at LSU. He's a long damn way from being a great head coach, so there is some merit to the argument. If you can recruit LA and aren't completely braindead or out of your depth (Hallman), or don't let personal issues and squabbles get in the way (DiNardo in his last 2 years), you can win at LSU.
Gerry DiNardo had a 10 win season and came within a game of winning the West twice while at LSU. He's a long damn way from being a great head coach, so there is some merit to the argument. If you can recruit LA and aren't completely braindead or out of your depth (Hallman), or don't let personal issues and squabbles get in the way (DiNardo in his last 2 years), you can win at LSU.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:10 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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Then you should have kept him, since LSU makes the coach. The OP makes it sound that anyone who can recruit can do exactly what Saban did and what Miles has done and is doing, which is patently absurd.
An average to above average guy who can recruit can win here, but not on a consistent championship level. I liken it to the Memphis basketball program. They've had several average to above average coaches who have won conference titles and had nice runs. The only times they've struggled at all over the last 30 years were when a longtime coach's health started declining and it affected his performance (Larry Finch), and when they hired an ace program killer to replace him (Tic Price).
Other than those few years, everyone has won at Memphis in recent memory. But, if you put a better coach in that job (Dana Kirk, John Calipari), they start challenging for national titles.
The LSU football program feels the same to me. An good coach could rack up a lot of wins and bowls here, and maybe win a couple of titles when the stars align. A great coach will be dominant on a regular basis.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:29 pm to Dudebro2
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Broturd - seriously you are a fricking idiot! So LSU makes the coach uhhhh? What about Gerry DiNardo, Curley Hallman, MIke Archer and Jerry Stovall?
Archer couldn't recruit at all. He won with Arnsparger's players, but once the cupboard went bare, he went downhill fast. Hallman recruited well considering where the program was at the time, but he was so bad that he could fail at any program. He should be bound by law to pay Bret Favre a percentage of every football related check for the rest of his life.
DiNardo had early success thanks to a great staff and strong early recruiting. But he drove his two good coordinators away and, while he had a couple of highly rated classes, he went after too many players with grade risks and attitude problems. I think he only ranks as an average coach, but if he had stayed on his initial track, he likely could have sustained his level of success (7-9 wins) for a few more years until the SEC started really getting stronger across the board.
I really don't know much about Stovall, but from most accounts, he wasn't a very good coach.
I look at Les Miles and Cholly Mac, and see a pretty close likeness. Mac may have been a better coach, with Miles being the better recruiter. I think they both come out as above average coaches who have been (or were) able to punch a little above their level because of where they are (or were).
Put Miles back at OSU. How far does he ultimately take that program? He did a good job getting them out of the gutter, but even DiNardo was able to pull that off here. Would he have gotten them to the next level? How about if you put him at a school like Vandy or Kentucky? Would he be able to win at places where recruiting would be more difficult? That's what I mean when I say that LSU enhances what he is capable of.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:09 am to Broham
We went through 8 coaches in 24 years. That ain't good bro.
I can point out Les did it with much less in state talent due to hurricanes.
Also the top two hardest schedules in LSU history were 2011 and 2007. Les won the sec and went to the title game in both.
88, 73, and 55 round out the top 5 toughest schedules in LSU history.
I can point out Les did it with much less in state talent due to hurricanes.
Also the top two hardest schedules in LSU history were 2011 and 2007. Les won the sec and went to the title game in both.
88, 73, and 55 round out the top 5 toughest schedules in LSU history.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 12:15 am
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:37 am to Broham
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I love Les but he is NOT a top coach
103-28 with three West titles, two SEC titles, two BCSCGs, and a national title say you are wrong.
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LSU makes the coach
Gerry, Curley, Archer, and Jerry say hello!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:07 am to Broham
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In this day and age, if you can recruit and half arse coach with good coordinators, you WILL succeed at LSU. LSU can make a coach. Believe it or not, LSU made Saban, Saban didn't make LSU. Saban got the great in-state players to come and bam, Championship. We replace Saban with Les Miles.......Les frickin Miles and look what he did. I love Les but he is NOT a top coach. He has good coordinators and can bring in talent. If we happen to lose him, oh well, bring in a guy that can recruit and half arse coach (would more than likely be better than miles) get good people around him and BAM, We'll still be LSU.
Who the frick was Nick Saban and Les Miles before the came to LSU?
Goddamn there are some fricking idiots on this board.
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