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Do you believe torture/enhanced interrogation is effective ?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:28 pm
Obviously you can get information from someone that has information but what about those who don't have useful Intel and lie just to make it stop? How Does the good vs bad Intel obtained balance out? Also, you have to think those with viable Intel are trained to give false but believable information when in custody.
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:31 pm to mouton
quote:Yes. Water-boarding is how we baptize islamic scum.
Do you believe torture/enhanced interrogation is effective ?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Waterboarding worked pretty quick on KSM....
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I wish a Muslim person would beat your arse and get your daughter pregnant. You are an absolute idiot and I feel bad for even responding to one of your posts.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:34 pm to mouton
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Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Wednesday defended the agency’s post-9/11 interrogation methods, following the release of a Senate report that slammed their tactics as "brutal" and ineffective.
“These interrogations … gave us kind of a Home Depot-like storage of information on Al Qaeda on which we relied,” Hayden told Fox News. “We are still relying on it today.”
He probably knows better than the shite stain, millennial senate staffers that wrote the torture report.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:35 pm to mouton
I heard this very question on WWL today. The speaker said it is not effective. He cited the best negotiator that he knew. He states that all he needed was a quiet room, to know the rules that pertained to what was allowed to be done, and time to become the persons best friend. He gauranteed that he could get any information that he actually knew.
The problem is that people will admit to anything to make the pain stop and therefore is not effective.
The problem is that people will admit to anything to make the pain stop and therefore is not effective.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:37 pm to mouton
Are we talking about the guilty people or the 25% of people who were found to be wrongfully detained?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:39 pm to mouton
Absolutely.
All intel whether it is gained under duress or not could be false.
These terrorists play dirty. Interrogation is fair game in my book.
But hey, dropping Hellfire missiles on a wedding to kill a couple bad guys is squeaky clean? Right? (BTW I'm all for that , too...)
Obama's faux outrage at these issues is clearly partisan.
All intel whether it is gained under duress or not could be false.
These terrorists play dirty. Interrogation is fair game in my book.
But hey, dropping Hellfire missiles on a wedding to kill a couple bad guys is squeaky clean? Right? (BTW I'm all for that , too...)
Obama's faux outrage at these issues is clearly partisan.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:40 pm to lsusaintsfan4life
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The speaker said it is not effective.
Leon Panetta disagrees, and his experience is neither anecdotal nor hypothetical.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:42 pm to mouton
quote:
Do you believe torture/enhanced interrogation is effective ?
Of course, duh.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:44 pm to mouton
I think that they can be.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:44 pm to mouton
i don't know. and neither do you.
Have you seen jihadis? I dont think they are trained in much.
Have you seen jihadis? I dont think they are trained in much.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:45 pm to mouton
It depends on the man
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Last Words Of: Giles Corey, farmer and accused witch, while being crushed with stones
According to colonial law, a person who refused to plead innocent or guilty of a crime could not be tried. This was particularly vexing to the courts when they had people accused of witchcraft, since they weren't going to torch themselves.
Their remedy for this was "peine forte et dure", the process where the accused was slowly compacted by rocks until a plea was entered. "Tough love" was pretty new back then and clearly had some refining left. Giles Corey, knowing he wouldn't be afforded a fair trial, challenged every plea request with the above "More weight," as in, "add more stones." He did this literally down to his last breath.
No matter how enormous the rocks they stacked on Giles, it's evident he was carrying the largest stones in the room before he even walked in.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:45 pm to HonoraryCoonass
I have no experience in the matter and must rely on experts opinions. The speaker went on to discribe what was done to "interigate" the suspects. Apparently sleep deprivation and water boarding wasn't enough. There was embarrassment with parading them around nude, feeding them through their rectum, and simulating sexual things on them with objects.
If true, that is unacceptable and NOT American. Period.
If true, that is unacceptable and NOT American. Period.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:45 pm to mouton
I think that capturing and torturing the family members of these guys would be INSANELY effective. Much more than torturing them. Torture their Mom and Pops.
Being in a Civilisational self-congratulatory phase, this is unnecessary and nearly impossible. As Islamists get increasing Existentially threatening (nukes) ANYTHING is possible. And that's when people find out that all these morally-preening platitudes about how wonderful we are mean exactly jack shite. We take the high road because we can. When we can't , we won't.
Being in a Civilisational self-congratulatory phase, this is unnecessary and nearly impossible. As Islamists get increasing Existentially threatening (nukes) ANYTHING is possible. And that's when people find out that all these morally-preening platitudes about how wonderful we are mean exactly jack shite. We take the high road because we can. When we can't , we won't.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:46 pm to lsusaintsfan4life
quote:
The speaker said it is not effective. He cited the best negotiator that he knew. He states that all he needed was a quiet room, to know the rules that pertained to what was allowed to be done, and time to become the persons best friend. He gauranteed that he could get any information that he actually knew.
This guy sure thinks a lot of himself.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:47 pm to mouton
Yep. BTW, its not 'torture'.
Its playing hardball with a group of terrorists who wanna nuke this country.
If anyone wants to take up arms against my country with the intent of causing harm, they are opening themself's to anything and everything including the kitchen sink.
Don't wanna get hurt, stay on the porch. Because when you start messing with the big dogs, your gonna get bit.
Its playing hardball with a group of terrorists who wanna nuke this country.
If anyone wants to take up arms against my country with the intent of causing harm, they are opening themself's to anything and everything including the kitchen sink.
Don't wanna get hurt, stay on the porch. Because when you start messing with the big dogs, your gonna get bit.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:47 pm to mouton
I sure do.
The problem with McCain's, et al argument is that in his situation, the enemy had no way of verifying the information given by him. Therefore, he could tell them anything. We don't have that problem, in many situations, so if we get false info, we can verify that it's false, come back and kick the shite out of them again and again. I get misty thinking about it, actually.
Torture absolutely works. It wouldn't have been practiced for centuries if it didn't. It may not work on everyone, but it works on enough people for us to get what we want.
This so-called humaneness just weakens us and helps our enemies. Rome always falls to the barbarians precisely for this reason. The strong get soft as they become secure in their power. Then, they get overrun by those who don't play by the rules of civility.
The problem with McCain's, et al argument is that in his situation, the enemy had no way of verifying the information given by him. Therefore, he could tell them anything. We don't have that problem, in many situations, so if we get false info, we can verify that it's false, come back and kick the shite out of them again and again. I get misty thinking about it, actually.
Torture absolutely works. It wouldn't have been practiced for centuries if it didn't. It may not work on everyone, but it works on enough people for us to get what we want.
This so-called humaneness just weakens us and helps our enemies. Rome always falls to the barbarians precisely for this reason. The strong get soft as they become secure in their power. Then, they get overrun by those who don't play by the rules of civility.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:48 pm to mouton
quote:
Do you believe torture/enhanced interrogation is effective ?
I've been bawled out by a two-star and had a colonscopy. There's nothing left for you bastards to do to me now.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:50 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
As Islamists get increasing Existentially threatening (nukes) ANYTHING is possible. And that's when people find out that all these morally-preening platitudes about how wonderful we are mean exactly jack shite. We take the high road because we can. When we can't , we won't.
This. 1000 times this.
Tickling someones nads will pale in comparison to what we do to the guys who actually cause an effective attack on US soil.
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