re: Help me pick mine and the GF&#39;s new carry guns

Posted by dawg23

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:59 pm to DelU249

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I don't do any kinds of tests. At the range I use Winchester 230 hard balls

in my magazine while carrying, I keep 185 jhp

I edited my earlier post to explain better what I was trying to say.

If one goes to the trouble to find the "premium" 9mm ammo, it does a fantastic job of expanding (.83 caliber for Federal HST). Very few makes of .40 or .45 will expand consistently to this diameter.

But, if a person isn't going to take the time to find the "good" stuff, he's probably better off with the .45 hp.

Posted by Boats n Hose

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:01 pm to dawg23

I've got an idea for a good test.

Take three people. Shoot them all once right in the middle of the chest. One with a 9mm, one with .40 and one with a .45

See how many dead people you have

Posted by dawg23

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:02 pm to Shexter

Tiny guns usually have stiffer springs than full size guns - to help tame the recoil.

When you add in the fact that small guns offer less gripping surface, it's very common for slides on baby 9mm, .40 & .45's to be very hard to rack.

ETA: When you add in the fact that many women have less hand (gripping) strength than men, the problem is compounded even further. This is why I use a "full size" G19 when teaching female beginners.

ETA: But the overhand method is still generally the best technique -- if for no other reason than it keeps your hand farther away from the loud end of the gun (in case somebody screws up and has his finger on the trigger while racking).

This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 1:48 pm

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Posted by AlxTgr

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:05 pm to dawg23

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Tiny guns usually have stiffer springs than full size guns - to help tame the recoil.

When you add in the fact that small guns offer less gripping surface, it's very common for slides on baby 9mm, .40 & .45's to be very hard to rack.

Posted by dnm3305

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:20 pm to dawg23

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When you add in the fact that small guns offer less gripping surface, it's very common for slides on baby 9mm, .40 & .45's to be slightly harder to rack

Guys, this is not a dick measuring contest. If you are having a tough time racking the slide on your LCP, you are doing it wrong.

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Posted by DelU249

Austria

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:24 pm to dnm3305

I don't, but my mother in law literally could not do it, sister in law got it after a long time and my wife couldn't do it.

and the slide was locked back

all they had to do was pull back a slight amount and let go

and they're definitely capable of it strength wise...either they were handling it like they were afraid or they weren't doing something right. however, my SIL is definitely the strongest of the 3...so there is an element of strength to their futility

Posted by DelU249

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:27 pm to dawg23

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Tiny guns usually have stiffer springs than full size guns - to help tame the recoil.

that makes sense, my 2 compact .45s definitely are a little stiffer than any other handgun I've used, barely noticeable though. I thought it had to do with the amount of play

and I love a slide that's on there tight...still haven't had any of the aluminum frame shave off. My friend told me that's a problem with the aluminum frame 1911s

Posted by bapple

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:29 pm to DelU249

If any of you have taken a physics class, the reason is simple - spring constant.

A gun with a very short action (short guide rod and spring) will have a very high spring constant. This is why some small guns have dual recoil springs - to raise the spring constant. It will certainly be stiffer and harder to rack than something with a long guide rod and spring.

The underlying theme though is that it's not impossible to perfect someone's form to assist racking a stiff slide. To this I agree.

This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 1:30 pm

Posted by Shexter

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:30 pm to DelU249

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I don't, but my mother in law literally could not do it, sister in law got it after a long time and my wife couldn't do it. and the slide was locked back all they had to do was pull back a slight amount and let go

and that was at a gun range. They wouldn't stand a chance with a reload or malfunction in a stressful situation.

Posted by DelU249

Austria

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:31 pm to Boats n Hose

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I've got an idea for a good test.

Take three people. Shoot them all once right in the middle of the chest. One with a 9mm, one with .40 and one with a .45

See how many dead people you have

yeah, you put a good shot on someone with anything it will be effective. I've just recently gotten trigger control down, and I don't know if I'd revert to slapping it in a SHTF situation...so I feel better (whether I should or not) having a bigger bullet.

In the end, I'd imagine most situations that require you to pull out a firearm will end with the aggressor running at the sight of the firearm

Posted by DelU249

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:34 pm to Shexter

no, it was at my residence...they bailed on the gun trip because the SIL's flight delay fricked with our schedule, I could see they weren't ready, and I could see they were freaked out

so another time...and i'll just let them use my model 36 with .38 special.

or if they want to try with my incoming colt python....

it does shoot .38 special

I think it is the sight of the gun that freaks them out, so next time...the S&W J frame

Posted by DelU249

Austria

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:35 pm to bapple

personally I like the stiffer pull...no clue why

just feels right

Posted by dawg23

Baton Rouge, La

Member since Jul 2011

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:52 pm to weagle99

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If either of you has to use one of your guns do you have the name and number of an attorney you can call right then? Day or night?

This is probably more important than which caliber to carry.

I preach in all of my classes that everyone should have interviewed, and have "on call," a lawyer -- before they start carrying.

Posted by DelU249

Austria

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:00 pm to dawg23

I agree.

and don't tell the cops shite until you get a lawyer...just tell them you've been instructed previously to not speak without a lawyer present

it sucks but there are cops out there who are trying to get that instant statement down because it will likely change...and when you don't talk, then they'll try and small talk you back towards giving a statement...cops...ugh

This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 2:02 pm

Posted by deathvalleygrassmmmm

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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:05 pm to BallCoachinFool

The Khar is a nice pistol but I find it to have a heave trigger pull, which can throw your shot off target. I would pass on the PX4 storm. As the others have said the Springfield XDS, and the M&P shield by Smith and wesson are very nice. I also carry a glock 26 or glock 19. Both are concealable in my pocket or an inside the waistband holster.