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Recruiting services pet peeve (#1 ---> #100) and same one
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:38 am
Could someone explain to me why recruiting services/modern day Solomons automatically rate the snappers like the Fergusons 2 stars or placekickers in general 2* or 3*? Why isn't the best snapper rated at least a 4* and the best PK rated a 5*? I'm sure most would agree that PKs decide probably more games than any other position other than QB. Ask Notre Dame this season...ask LSU for that matter. Who gives a damn what the 40 time of a placekicker is!
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:47 am to Purple with Gold
1. well, it has a lot to do with the fact that people don't pay for services to rank kickers and long snappers. Most don't care and it's an after thought. They want to see articles on the top rated QB's, RB's, OT's and WR's. No one wants to read an article on a punter.
2. these two specific positions tend to have their own camps. Meaning, they don't all attend the same camps that others do.
3. There are not enough recruiter service staff members out there to adequately rate these kids.
4. most of these service staff members don't know how to adequately rank a punter or kicker. It's a tough position to evaluate unless you're a pro in that specific area.
5. Also, most guys state that it's almost impossible to predict this position. Some of the most highly recruited end up being nothing in college and the walk ons end up in the NFL.
2. these two specific positions tend to have their own camps. Meaning, they don't all attend the same camps that others do.
3. There are not enough recruiter service staff members out there to adequately rate these kids.
4. most of these service staff members don't know how to adequately rank a punter or kicker. It's a tough position to evaluate unless you're a pro in that specific area.
5. Also, most guys state that it's almost impossible to predict this position. Some of the most highly recruited end up being nothing in college and the walk ons end up in the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:55 am to Duckie
william ray guy- punter. thomson, ga 5*
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:06 pm to higgins
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william ray guy- punter. thomson, ga 5*
Dude was just an all around freak show.
From Southern Miss website:
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Guy also was proficient in areas other than as a punter. As a defensive back, he holds the school record for most interceptions in a season (8), is second in career interceptions (18) and is third in school history in interceptions yardage (268). As a kicker, he holds the school record for longest field goal made (61 - a then NCAA record), sixth on the school's field goals made list, and his baseball prowess, attained during a time when teams played limited schedules, continues to be prominent in the Southern Miss record books. He struck out 266 in 220.2 innings pitched, threw 14 complete games in 31 starts and is fourth in career strikeouts, though appearing in only 31 games; he was also drafted for three-straight years.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:36 pm to Duckie
Thanks, I think you hit it especially good on 1) --> 3). I sort of question your 4) and 5) since you could say the same thing about QBs, RBs, WRs, OL, DL, LBers, CB, S 
In other words, if they hung recruiting services for hitting most of the time correctly, they would be hanging innocent people. 
BTW, if what you said about that they aren't qualified to rate kickers and punters and snappers, then fine, let's go with that. Then, the logical result of that should be they should not rate them at all and they should be removed from entering into the average rating of signees/commits. I agree with you BTW pretty much on your answers but it makes them look stupid and mathetically naive to then drop teams who sign punters, placekickers, and snappers...and it can definitely do a number on the average rating column.
In other words, if they hung recruiting services for hitting most of the time correctly, they would be hanging innocent people. BTW, if what you said about that they aren't qualified to rate kickers and punters and snappers, then fine, let's go with that. Then, the logical result of that should be they should not rate them at all and they should be removed from entering into the average rating of signees/commits. I agree with you BTW pretty much on your answers but it makes them look stupid and mathetically naive to then drop teams who sign punters, placekickers, and snappers...and it can definitely do a number on the average rating column.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:50 pm to Purple with Gold
So why get excited or upset with recruiting rankings at all?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:15 pm to Purple with Gold
247's take is that they rate players based on NFL draft value and you rarely see a kicker drafted in the first 3 rounds, and maybe 1 or 2 snappers get drafted late every year. They are projecting 5 stars to be future first-round picks, obviously not very successfully, but that's what their aim is at least.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:28 pm to TheWalrus
Recruiting services, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay have the best jobs on the planet. They get paid to pretty much say the obvious, and when they're wrong they can just blame it on the system the player is playing in or on the player for not developing. It's all a joke really, kind of like releasing a pre-season top 25. I.E. USC a few years ago when they were pre-season no.1 and ended up unranked.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:14 pm to Purple with Gold
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should be they should not rate them at all and they should be removed from entering into the average rating of signees/commits.
a lot of services have discussed this before.
However, I don't think they strategically want to do that and just hand over that 'market' to other services that do fully evaluate those positions.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:15 pm to McCaigBro69
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It's all a joke really, kind of like releasing a pre-season top 25
not really a 'joke' per say. It's a fine balance between entertainment and football.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:16 pm to Purple with Gold
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I agree with you BTW pretty much on your answers but it makes them look stupid and mathetically naive to then drop teams who sign punters, placekickers, and snappers...and it can definitely do a number on the average rating column.
I will say that they can justify those rankings because a punter or kicker rarely drops a team because they only rank teams based on the top 20 or so kids.
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