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Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:10 pm to weagle99
quote:Just curious, why "day or night?" You can always tell them you don't want to answer any questions without your atty present.
OP - Do you have the name and number of an attorney you can call day or night if you are involved in a shooting?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:17 pm to Geauxtiga
quote:
Just curious, why "day or night?" You can always tell them you don't want to answer any questions without your atty present.
Do you want to possibly spend the night in jail if you don't have to?
If an event happens at 2AM somewhere always better to have someone to call soon afterwards IMO.
Remember, the shooter will be hopped up on adrenalin and in a severe emotional state after an event. Lots of things can happen during questioning if one isn't careful.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:30 pm to weagle99
quote:
Remember, the shooter will be hopped up on adrenalin and in a severe emotional state after an event.
You overestimate the mindset of the shooter. I'm thinking, internet bad assery and bullshite aside, most people defending their home, property, or loved ones would be less emotional than you suggest. I guess it's all in the preparation, but having meditated on it for a while, I'm pretty sure I'd be at peace defending family/home.
There isn't much I could feel more self-righteous on, then self defense or castle doctrine. I imagine I'd just clam up and wait till sunup to find a lawyer in the event I needed one.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:38 pm to weagle99
quote:Ok, I get that. In fact that was the most pressing thing I saw, too.
Do you want to possibly spend the night in jail if you don't have to?
And btw, it's not just CCW people that should answer that question. Dam near everyone has guns in the home and could be put in that situation.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
Do what you feel is right for you situation. 
Even experienced cops can feel jacked up after a life or death event. Thankfully most of us have no experience with a dead or dying person bleeding out in front of us in our hallway or on a sidewalk with people screaming at us.
Enough of my detour though. I only bring stuff like this up so that people will think about all the angles. Carrying a gun and being willing to use it is serious business.
Even experienced cops can feel jacked up after a life or death event. Thankfully most of us have no experience with a dead or dying person bleeding out in front of us in our hallway or on a sidewalk with people screaming at us.
Enough of my detour though. I only bring stuff like this up so that people will think about all the angles. Carrying a gun and being willing to use it is serious business.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:49 pm to weagle99
quote:
Carrying a gun and being willing to use it is serious business.
Agreed. That's why I think people should really consider all scenarios. I had one of my first CC instructors emphasize this point and really make us think about the results of our actions/in actions. It was quite illuminating.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:50 pm to tigerinthebueche
Shield 9mm for $350
Or
Kahr cw9 for $300?
Or
Kahr cw9 for $300?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:31 am to weagle99
quote:
Posted by weagle99
I ask this in all these threads b/c I think it is important:
OP - Do you have the name and number of an attorney you can call day or night if you are involved in a shooting?
I am only curious.
Are you saying this in every thread because it is your public service announcement? It's really good advice btw.
Or are you trying to make people think twice before buying a self defense weapon because the burden is too much to bear correctly?
I also would like to know if you are saying this because you know that the authorities will check your computer and may find this information where a citizen is curious about the most effective tool for self defense tool ( which in some cases, may involve very bad things).
Again, this reply very much piques my interest.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:40 am to dstone12
I'm saying it as a PSA because many people (especially younger people) don't seem to think about the realistic aftermath of an event.
I grew up reading alot of Massad Ayoob which makes me think along these lines.
I grew up reading alot of Massad Ayoob which makes me think along these lines.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:49 am to weagle99
quote:
OP - Do you have the name and number of an attorney you can call day or night if you are involved in a shooting?
Matter of fact I do. My brother just graduated law school and passed the bar, and just landed a job a few weeks ago (golden child).
Also, i guess it really goes back to the ole' saying "I'd rather by tried by 12 than carried by 6."
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:54 am to JTM72
Good job.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:55 am to weagle99
Thank you; and again: it's good advice.
Mind if I add something else?
"Don't go looking for trouble since you are now armed. In fact, do your best to avoid trouble because the last thing you want to do is be forced to protect yourself. "
I know that sounds obvious, but hearing it again can't hurt.
Mind if I add something else?
"Don't go looking for trouble since you are now armed. In fact, do your best to avoid trouble because the last thing you want to do is be forced to protect yourself. "
I know that sounds obvious, but hearing it again can't hurt.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:06 am to bapple
"I've fired a Keltec PF9 that was MUCH more uncomfortable to shoot. "
I shot my Kel-Tec .380 Sunday after not having shot it for about a year. I forgot how nasty that little thing is. Don't know what the 9 would be like.
Very concealable, but DO NOT like to shoot it.
I may look at something else after the holiday spending is done.
I shot my Kel-Tec .380 Sunday after not having shot it for about a year. I forgot how nasty that little thing is. Don't know what the 9 would be like.
Very concealable, but DO NOT like to shoot it.
I may look at something else after the holiday spending is done.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:07 am to dstone12
quote:
"Don't go looking for trouble since you are now armed. In fact, do your best to avoid trouble because the last thing you want to do is be forced to protect yourself. "
You also cannot claim self defense here. Clearly stated on LSP.org as "Aggressor Cannot Claim Self Defense."
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:40 pm to bapple
quote:
quote:" You also cannot claim self defense here. Clearly stated on LSP.org as "Aggressor Cannot Claim Self Defense."
Mind If I ask you to tell me more?
"You can't claim self defense here"......is this a response to an armed someone looking for trouble and actively not avoiding it?
Is lsp implying that an armed person is considered an aggressor or that an armed person that is not trying to evade trouble in the first place is the aggressor.
The specifics of ccw is becoming just as interesting as practicing at the range in my opinion.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:08 pm to dstone12
quote:
is this a response to an armed someone looking for trouble and actively not avoiding it?
I was agreeing with you and adding my own information.
Yes, it is saying if you go looking for trouble and the entire reason for a situation escalating, you are the aggressor and cannot claim self defense.
That is unless you have a costume and a badge...
quote:
Is lsp implying that an armed person is considered an aggressor or that an armed person that is not trying to evade trouble in the first place is the aggressor.
It means that if you begin a confrontation and have to use deadly force that you're responsible for it.
That information came from here:
LSP.org
quote:
LRS 14:21
§21. Aggressor cannot claim self defense
A person who is the aggressor or who brings on a difficulty cannot claim the right of selfdefense
unless he withdraws from the conflict in good faith and in such a manner that his
adversary knows or should know that he desires to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:13 pm to dstone12
If you're the aggressor, retreat, and then the other person becomes the aggressor, then you can use proportional force to protect yourself.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:29 pm to bapple
Thanks yall.
You are right. I was asking in the respectful way of being inquisitive.
However, I live in nc and while la and nc reciprocate, I still ask as if I were a lawyer since tone cannot be assumed on a message board in most cases.
Common sense is ultimately what applies to the ccw laws.
You are right. I was asking in the respectful way of being inquisitive.
However, I live in nc and while la and nc reciprocate, I still ask as if I were a lawyer since tone cannot be assumed on a message board in most cases.
Common sense is ultimately what applies to the ccw laws.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:07 pm to dstone12
quote:
Common sense is ultimately what applies to the ccw laws.
Usually. If you and your victim don't belong to a minority group, or belong to the same minority group, common sense should prevail.
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