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Why isn't the triple option offense more popular in college/NFL?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:36 am
I've always been told that the speed of defenses for elite colleges and the NFL are a problem for this type of offense, but the same was said about the spread option and it has been rather successful in the NFL and is rampant in college.
In high school, undermanned teams with small offensive lines are able to compete effectively with variants of the triple option such as the Wing T and the Veer. Georgia Tech competes with much more talented teams by running the triple option, and Georgia Southern beat the University of Florida by running the Veer to perfection and completing exactly zero passes.
People often write off these styles as gimmicky schemes that are only effective because of the limited amount of time to prepare for such a different offense, but look at Nebraska. With upper echelon talent they put together one of the most incredible runs and teams in college football history.
If Georgia Southern can beat Florida given the disparity in talent, what could LSU, Alabama, or the Carolina Panthers do with that style?
Tl;dr version: Death to the forward pass!
In high school, undermanned teams with small offensive lines are able to compete effectively with variants of the triple option such as the Wing T and the Veer. Georgia Tech competes with much more talented teams by running the triple option, and Georgia Southern beat the University of Florida by running the Veer to perfection and completing exactly zero passes.
People often write off these styles as gimmicky schemes that are only effective because of the limited amount of time to prepare for such a different offense, but look at Nebraska. With upper echelon talent they put together one of the most incredible runs and teams in college football history.
If Georgia Southern can beat Florida given the disparity in talent, what could LSU, Alabama, or the Carolina Panthers do with that style?
Tl;dr version: Death to the forward pass!
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:40 am to slackster
No way it would work on the regular in the NFL. Defenses are too fast. ETA: And your QB would get murdered.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:46 am to slackster
It's not just speed, it's disciplined speed. NFL defenses are too disciplined for the triple option.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:46 am to boom roasted
An NFL defense would literally kill the QB on every option play he runs, all while effectively stopping the play all together.
Running QB's can't stay healthy now a days and they dont' even run much.
Georgia Tech is 1-5 in bowl games since Paul Johnson came aboard.
Running QB's can't stay healthy now a days and they dont' even run much.
Georgia Tech is 1-5 in bowl games since Paul Johnson came aboard.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:49 am to slackster
quote:
I've always been told that the speed of defenses for elite colleges and the NFL are a problem for this type of offense, but the same was said about the spread option and it has been rather successful in the NFL and is rampant in college.
please elaborate
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:49 am to slackster
Triple Option wrinkle in an offense could work in college in an offense like Auburn's or Oregon's, but pure Triple Option would be laughably bad in the NFL.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:51 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:It would get ugly. After your star QB takes 1 or 2 clean shots from the DE, you would rethink that offensive strategy.
An NFL defense would literally kill the QB on every option play he runs
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:55 am to slackster
The read option and the triple option are completely two different offensive plays aside from the fact that they leave one player unblocked.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:57 am to slackster
It would never work at the NFL level, but at the college level, the triple option is generally difficult to figure out and defend. Unless you have arrant talent and athletes on the defense, it's tough for all teams. Even then, some of these athletes can over pursue, miss a read, or get out of position and then the whole defense is toast. Georgia Tech's offense has had success against a very athletic Georgia defense for a reason.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:00 am to 12Pence
To be fair, I think it would be really interesting if a team came out with an athletic back-up QB and ran the triple option in the NFL for one week what would happen.
NFL Defense never work on the assignments associate with the triple option so it definitely could catch someone off guard for one week.
There is a reason teams that play Navy are something like 1-11 this year the following week. It requires an entirely different scheme.
NFL Defense never work on the assignments associate with the triple option so it definitely could catch someone off guard for one week.
There is a reason teams that play Navy are something like 1-11 this year the following week. It requires an entirely different scheme.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:09 am to boom roasted
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o way it would work on the regular in the NFL. Defenses are too fast. ETA: And your QB would get murdered.
I don't think defensive speed has anything to do with it.
It's all about discipline.
I distinctly remember a VERY fast Miami team with guys like Lewis and Sapp on it sucking wind and not stopping Nebraska.
I also remember a star studded and speedy Chavis defense looking clueless against the Nebraska option.
I also remember a star studded and speedy UF defense getting demolished.
I don't think speed has anything to do with it.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:11 am to 12Pence
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Georgia Tech's offense has had success against a very athletic Georgia defense for a reason.
Yeah, Georgia has no discipline.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:14 am to LSUintheNW
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Yeah, Georgia has no discipline.
That's what I was hinting at. Georgia has arguably the most athletes and talent on defense, but they get out of position, lack discipline and essentially play raw. In turn, they miss assignments and get out of position and get gashed by Georgia Tech.
2008 Georgia vs. Georgia Tech is a great example.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:14 am to Moustache
quote:I think it has something to do with it. Triple option is designed to hit the edge, but it takes a long time getting to the edge and doesn't provide any lead blockers. OLBs and SSs would get there in a hurry.
I don't think speed has anything to do with it.
I think it's silly to say NFL speed would have nothing to do with shutting down the triple option.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:15 am to boom roasted
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QB would get murdered.
This and NFL plays disciplined football for the most part. In high school, the average defender will mess up/get beat at least one play out of three. In the NFL that might be one play out of 6 for a mess up. 1 out 6 isn't a successful offense.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:19 am to boom roasted
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I think it's silly to say NFL speed would have nothing to do with shutting down the triple option.
But you act like there won't be NFL speed on the offense either.
Speed is a part of the game, but I know damn well Nebraska didn't have the most speed in NCAA during their 90s run.
UF, UT, Miami, TX, A&M----All these schools had NFL talent on D, and all of these defenses got raped by Nebraska's option.
Setting up blocks, creating misdirection, and discipline are all major just like it is for any other offense.
The main reason NFL doesn't run option is because the QBs would get hurt too damn much.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:20 am to Moustache
I'd like to see how it would work at a major school like UF, LSU, USC, Bama, etc. etc.
A team that can run the triple option with ELITE talent instead of mediocre talent.
A team that can run the triple option with ELITE talent instead of mediocre talent.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:21 am to Moustache
quote:No. That's you making an assumption.
But you act like there won't be NFL speed on the offense either.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:27 am to slackster
Safeties are a little slower in college than in the league. Triple option would never work in the NFL. It's not bad in college because it forces teams that are used to covering the spread to game plan for an offense they won't see again all year.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:28 am to Moustache
Imagine the melt on the Rant is Les had the O line up in the triple option. 
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