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Ferguson aside, bad police out are out there
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:06 am
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:06 am
In my opinion, what is happening to Darren Wilson is a travesty and it is disgraceful how the media and politicians are flaunting this case as WW3-Black vrs. White.
With that being said, there is a story nearly every day of a cop killing an innocent old lady, beating a suspect inches from his life, or killing dogs for fun. Pile on the checkpoints, brake tag inspections, stop and frisks and other ridiculous fricking MOs and we have society gradually saying its OK to have a police state day by day.
I am on board with cameras on lapels and repealing ridiculous laws that give officers the right to overreach. I would even be on board to have another look at the grand jury system. I think decriminalizing marijuana at a federal level would go a long way to focusing police effort on violent crime.
Lastly, incentives for giving tickets as a benchmark of individual success as an officer is morally reprehensible to me. Train our officers to better serve society and devote the time to solving violent crime instead of watching for brake tags.
/rant
*submitted before i finished. whoops.
With that being said, there is a story nearly every day of a cop killing an innocent old lady, beating a suspect inches from his life, or killing dogs for fun. Pile on the checkpoints, brake tag inspections, stop and frisks and other ridiculous fricking MOs and we have society gradually saying its OK to have a police state day by day.
I am on board with cameras on lapels and repealing ridiculous laws that give officers the right to overreach. I would even be on board to have another look at the grand jury system. I think decriminalizing marijuana at a federal level would go a long way to focusing police effort on violent crime.
Lastly, incentives for giving tickets as a benchmark of individual success as an officer is morally reprehensible to me. Train our officers to better serve society and devote the time to solving violent crime instead of watching for brake tags.
/rant
*submitted before i finished. whoops.
This post was edited on 11/27/14 at 1:14 am
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:10 am to Retrograde
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:16 am to the808bass
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the808bass
It's a travesty. There are so many opportunities to protest police brutality and overcompensation that it is a shame a bunch of idiots decided Ferguson would be the right place to do it.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:25 am to Retrograde
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In my opinion, what is happening to Darren Wilson is a travesty and it is disgraceful how the media and politicians are flaunting this case as WW3-Black vrs. White.
With that being said, there is a story nearly every day of a cop killing an innocent old lady, beating a suspect inches from his life, or killing dogs for fun.
Agree. Most cops are good guys trying to protect their community. A few are bullies with billy clubs. And the good cops hate those guys because they make their job harder. But we should not pretend they don't exist.
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we have society gradually saying its OK to have a police state day by day.
What are you, in your twenties? The only way you can possibly believe things are worse is if you buy into the media hype and/or you have a short attention span.
Police misconduct was WAY worse in the past. I don't want to gloss over the problems that still exist, but let's not forget history either.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:29 am to BigJim
Or if you're paying attention. You might think it's worse if you're paying attention.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:30 am to BigJim
I am in my mid twenties, and it was probably worse in the past.
Does that mean the never ending list of crimes by police is justified? Things can't change to make it better for everyone? I'm missing something i guess.
Does that mean the never ending list of crimes by police is justified? Things can't change to make it better for everyone? I'm missing something i guess.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:38 am to Retrograde
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Does that mean the never ending list of crimes by police is justified? Things can't change to make it better for everyone? I'm missing something i guess.
Basic reading comprehension skills?
Never said it was justified, never said things can't change for the better (in fact acknowledging how things have improved supports that things can improve). I pretty clearly state there is a problem. I just don't think misrepresenting reality is helpful.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:41 am to the808bass
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Or if you're paying attention. You might think it's worse if you're paying attention
If you just started paying attention sure. I think video recording on every phone and tablet helps bring awareness.
But if you think there is some giant wave of police misconduct that has somehow gotten worse in the past few years, well I guess we will just have to disagree.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:47 am to BigJim
Oh. I think it's been this way for a long time. And to be clear, by "this way," I mean "really, really, really shitty."
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:52 am to the808bass
I don't necessarily think it has gotten worse, I just think technology has progressed to where people can catch them on video better. Human nature gonna human nature.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 3:16 am to Retrograde
My friend, there are bad cops of course. There are also bad doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, soldiers, marines, airmen, etc. Get the picture? But of all these and other professions, most are good, decent, moralistic people. We do what we can to weed out these bad eggs but as they leave others come in. i.e. most people are good, a few are not. Just the way it is.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 3:22 am to Topisawtiger
Yes, but those other professions don't actively feel the need to defend those unfit for the job. Cops do and do so vocally.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 3:28 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Never been in the military and in combat have you? Things happen very quickly and all you have is your training and instincts along with your buddies to rely on. In this instance, all Wilson had was his training and instincts. If I were a cop I'd probably defend him this time as well.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 3:33 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Yes, but those other professions don't actively feel the need to defend those unfit for the job. Cops do and do so vocally.
Add in the layer of a union. It's part of the recipe.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 3:34 am to Topisawtiger
No one here said that Wilson was not justified.
Pay attention to what the OP actually listed.
Pay attention to what the OP actually listed.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 4:02 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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No one here said that Wilson was not justified. Pay attention to what the OP actually listed.
Sorry brother, I was actually replying to you. But in any case I get your point.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:36 am to Retrograde
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In my opinion, what is happening to Darren Wilson is a travesty and it is disgraceful how the media and politicians are flaunting this case as WW3-Black vrs. White.
Agreed Ferguson was just a case of thug acts like thug and dies because of it, but the media and the civil rights idiots still buy into the gentle giant lie.
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With that being said, there is a story nearly every day of a cop killing an innocent old lady, beating a suspect inches from his life, or killing dogs for fun. Pile on the checkpoints, brake tag inspections, stop and frisks and other ridiculous fricking MOs and we have society gradually saying its OK to have a police state day by day.
I am on board with cameras on lapels and repealing ridiculous laws that give officers the right to overreach. I would even be on board to have another look at the grand jury system. I think decriminalizing marijuana at a federal level would go a long way to focusing police effort on violent crime.
Lastly, incentives for giving tickets as a benchmark of individual success as an officer is morally reprehensible to me. Train our officers to better serve society and devote the time to solving violent crime instead of watching for brake tags.
I think cops are generally good ppl, but police departments have gotten into some really bad habits (1/2 that would be solved by ending the War on Drugs and legalizing all drugs) that need to be solved. Lapel cameras would help end some of the habits because ppl are always nicer when they know they are one camera so ppl will treat officers with more respect and vice verse the cops giving ppl more respect.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:03 am to Retrograde
I have become the biggest critics of police over the past 5-10yrs, and I grew up around law enforcement.
It is disgusting how disrespectful, egotistical, and down right pieces of shite a majority of LEOs are today. I think what happened in Ferguson was justified, but similar instances occur all the time that are not.
IMO, the only way to get LEOs in check is for all agencies to go to go-pro like body cameras. Its a win-win on both sides. Protects the citizens from the cops and protects the cops from frivolous lawsuits.
It is disgusting how disrespectful, egotistical, and down right pieces of shite a majority of LEOs are today. I think what happened in Ferguson was justified, but similar instances occur all the time that are not.
IMO, the only way to get LEOs in check is for all agencies to go to go-pro like body cameras. Its a win-win on both sides. Protects the citizens from the cops and protects the cops from frivolous lawsuits.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:07 am to WeeWee
Anytime you have human beings you will have good and bad and everyone of them will make mistakes. As long as a officer has a good heart then the mistakes can be corrected. No amount of training can fix a bad heart.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:16 am to Retrograde
The "protect our own at all times" mentality hurts the ghetto and the police force. If both parties did a better job of policing their own and getting rid of the bad apples these types of incidents would not necessarily blow up.
I truly believe that most cops are good people performing an honorable and difficult job but the bad apples seem to get the media attention.
Same with the inner city. I think most people just want to try and live their lives the best they can but the thugs seem to overshadow that attempt.
I truly believe that most cops are good people performing an honorable and difficult job but the bad apples seem to get the media attention.
Same with the inner city. I think most people just want to try and live their lives the best they can but the thugs seem to overshadow that attempt.
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