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re: Federal Judge overturns Mississippi Gay Marriage Ban
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:29 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:29 pm to WeeWee
There has never been an issue in American history where some supporters did not want more. If we said no because you might be back for more there would never be a yes for any issue.
For instance pot, can't say yes because next will be cocaine or kids smoking pot.
Ban on smoking in public buildings, can't say yes because next will be ban on smoking.
Raising speed limits, can't say yes because next will be no speed limits.
For instance pot, can't say yes because next will be cocaine or kids smoking pot.
Ban on smoking in public buildings, can't say yes because next will be ban on smoking.
Raising speed limits, can't say yes because next will be no speed limits.
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Could same sex couples receive marriage licenses in Mississippi?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:35 pm to WeeWee
quote:That was laid out stem-to-stern in various Democrat campaign events I participated in.
Ghey rights ppl will become like Sandra Fluke, Sharpton, etc ans just want more and more special treatment. They won't rest until a gay can force a catholic priest to marry then in the Vatican and an employer can be thrown in jail for not hiring a homosexual (even if that is not the reason they weren't hired) or we become the United Socialists of America.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:36 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:A marriage certificate. Yes.
Could same sex couples receive marriage licenses in Mississippi?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:45 pm to NC_Tigah
Not the same thing. So no.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:50 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
A marriage certificate. Yes.
I can print an lsu contract for myself and it carries the same weight. You're being clitonesque... It depends on the meaning of the word "is".
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:57 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:So that was the right deprived. An in-state license. Really?
Not the same thing. So no.
So I'm married. I live in the Carolinas. Yet, I have neither an NC, nor an SC marriage license.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:03 pm to NC_Tigah
Could you have originally been married in the Carolinas and had it recognized by the state?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:04 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Well, thank you . . .
You're being clitonesque...
. . . oh wait! I thought you said Clintonesque.
I see . . . You were trying to sneak that reference to female anatomy in without my picking up on it, weren't you. You're a cunning one!
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:13 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:Recognized in legal terms of Health Care Proxy, Durable Power of Attorney, Joint Tenancy Agreement, Will, Cohabitation Agreement? Yes.
Could you have originally been married in the Carolinas and had it recognized by the state?
Look, clearly there are nuances in states not recognizing Gay Marriage as a stand-alone entity. But as I've pointed out, even those states recognize a collection of individual legal steps which collectively equate to marriage.
The point I'm making is those differences are modest, and certainly rise nowhere near a "ban" on same-sex marriage.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:37 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Exactly how I feel. This is nothing more than the fed trampling over state's rights.
Just like they trampled over State's rights with the civil rights act of 1964. Marriage equality is coming, enjoy bitching about it.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:20 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:
Perverted laws will not stand.
Silliness.
OTOH what folks here do not seem to grasp is that words do mean something.
The term "ban" means something. It is consistently used inappropriately in application to Gay Marriage.
E.g., Interracial marriage was banned in Virginia. Loving was ARRESTED as a result.
Gays were not banned from marriage in Mississippi. The state simply did not recognized the term as applied to same sex individuals. Married gays were not arrested. They were not fined. They were not forced to leave the state. Nor were they banned from any legal benefits as far as I can tell.
Gays had the right to marry in any willing church or any gay-friendly civil ceremony,
and they had coincident legal rights to obtain a:
* Health Care Proxy
* Durable Power of Attorney
* Joint Tenancy Agreement
* Will
* Cohabitation Agreement
* with regard to state taxes, the advantage in MS is to file separately as far as I can tell:
Mississippi collects income taxes from its residents utilizing three tax brackets.
For single taxpayers:
3 percent on the first $5,000 of taxable income.
4 percent on taxable income between $5,001 and $10,000.
5 percent on taxable income of $10,001 and above.
Married couples filing a combined return (i.e., both spouses work) can opt to have each spouse calculate tax liability separately and add the results.
So in terms of denied benefits, I'll ask again,
Which specific benefits were denied?
Oh look, someone gave you a downvote
Apparently, some people are impervious to facts...
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:21 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Could my state please just accept this and move on. It would do our reputation wonders if we were the first Southern state to make gay marriage legal.
it's a damn shame that Missouri beat you to the punch with the 1st openly gay football player...
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:08 pm to inelishaitrust
quote:
Just like they trampled over State's rights with the civil rights act of 1964
Slightly different issue than this. This is nowhere near the same kind of issue as the civil rights.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:12 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
Perverted laws will not stand.
just a matter of time.
Until what?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:19 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Slightly different issue than this. This is nowhere near the same kind of issue as the civil rights.
Because you can't always label a homosexual by looking at them? How is it different? Because you think gay is a choice?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:23 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
So in terms of denied benefits, I'll ask again, Which specific benefits were denied?
Friends of mine happen to be lesbian couple (in Mississippi). I have no problem with gay marriage. They decided to have a baby through a medical procedure. Legally, the woman who gave birth has all of the same parental rights as any other mother who has given birth to a child. However, in Mississippi, her spouse (partner, playing the role of Dad to this child) does not have the same rights as a legally-recognized parent to this child.
Despite all of the legal documentation of them both and especially of the mother that her partner is equal as a parent, a Judge can override her wishes. A Judge could give the child (if something happened to the mom) to a blood relative of the mother.
This is not appropriate at all. Besides, they are very good parents.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:31 pm to inelishaitrust
quote:No.
Slightly different issue than this. This is nowhere near the same kind of issue as the civil rights.
Because you can't always label a homosexual by looking at them? How is it different? Because you think gay is a choice?
Because the two are not comparable. At all.
That fact won't prevent silly comparisons. People make silly comparisons all the time. e.g., Facts didn't prevent Kanye West from comparing dangers of his stagecraft including multiple wardrobe changes, and chance of twisting an ankle to the dangers of soldiers at war. Pretty much the same type thing in this instance.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:33 pm to Paluka
quote:They need a better attorney, but I agree that's not appropriate.
Despite all of the legal documentation of them both and especially of the mother that her partner is equal as a parent, a Judge can override her wishes. A Judge could give the child (if something happened to the mom) to a blood relative of the mother.
This is not appropriate at all. Besides, they are very good parents.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
NC_Tigah
Appreciate your position and agree with it except for the parental portion I mentioned. What are your thoughts on this?
Edit: Haha. Would not blood family override a partner's rights in this?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 4:35 pm
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