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re: If Brandon Harris leaves ...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:02 am to DBU
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:02 am to DBU
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Pretty much NO teams in the NFL run our offense. Just because an NFL team "can line up and run the football" doesn't mean they come out with 1 WR, 2 TE and a FB. No. The best teams are spreading the field out and running the ball. See Wisconsin, where we began spreading the field out and shockingly enough, our running game picked up substantially
The fullback is a dying position in the NFL which is one of the reasons that Cam is no longer there. That doesn't change the fact that Cam still runs a NFL-style offense. The best teams in the league actually run a lot of two TE sets. Patriots, eagles, Seattle all run a ton of two TE sets.
I would love for LSU to go to a single back system and drop the fullback. That's not going to happen while cam is here though.
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:07 am to tigerborderjumper
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By far the vast majority of Tiger fans from both sides of the isle are rational enough not to advise Harris to transfer.
"Vast Majority"
No offense to you, and no pun intended, but if he was your Son, seriously seriously
C'mon Man get serious
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:13 am to RB10
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The best teams in the league actually run a lot of two TE sets. Patriots, eagles, Seattle all run a ton of two TE sets.
Going out on a limb and going to say they throw to the TE's
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:15 am to BayouBengalBoy
If a true freshman leaves because of lack of playing time at that sensitive of a position then let his primpy arse go.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:16 am to lsuguru
quote:Do you have a link to said lesson being taught or are you merely pulling shite out of your arse?
Well supposedly he's teaching Harris a lesson.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:17 am to seinfeldtiger
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Winston and Manziel were RS freshman. Huge difference.
Gigantic difference!
Also - agree with this sentiment:
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Reading this board, you'd think it's the first time in history a true freshman didn't get playing time at the hardest position on the field.
Here's an interesting analysis on this:
A history of successful True Freshman QBs
After taking a look at this list, none of them had to deal with having the schedule and the lack of experience at other positions that BH / AJ have had. Just a thought....
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:19 am to Topwater Trout
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Going out on a limb and going to say they throw to the TE's
Well yeah lol. This is what baffles me the most about LSU's offense. You would think that TE seam routes would be a staple, but they are pretty much non-existent.
I had a ton of faith in Cam after last season. I thought he was going to be the guy that finally turned LSU's offense into what it could be. It's taken less than one season for me to lose that faith though. His system only works when he has a NFL caliber QB to run it. When he doesn't it's going to look exactly like it has this year. It seems to me he would rather mask his QBs deficiencies rather than adjust his scheme to highlight his QBs strengths.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:23 am to BayouBengalBoy
where is he going?
these idiotic rantards need to leave...not a player that committed his next 4 years to a school....gtfo rantatrds
these idiotic rantards need to leave...not a player that committed his next 4 years to a school....gtfo rantatrds
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:36 am to MightyYat
The thing that really irks me about the entire Auburn game is the team had basically 2 weeks to prep Harris for that start. Why in the world Les Miles didn't take the opportunity to get Harris comfortable, in a game setting no less, is beyond comprehension.
The New Mexico State game was a prime opportunity to not only start Harris, but give him plenty of reps to get comfortable with play calling in a live game setting. Sure the entire team had a bad game, and that is forgivable with the youth, setting, and everything else but to sit here and act like Harris was 100% at fault is complete horse shite. I'm not saying fire Miles or Harris should transfer, I'm just commenting on the way the Harris start at Auburn was handled (poorly).
The New Mexico State game was a prime opportunity to not only start Harris, but give him plenty of reps to get comfortable with play calling in a live game setting. Sure the entire team had a bad game, and that is forgivable with the youth, setting, and everything else but to sit here and act like Harris was 100% at fault is complete horse shite. I'm not saying fire Miles or Harris should transfer, I'm just commenting on the way the Harris start at Auburn was handled (poorly).
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:40 am to longhorn22
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here is he going? these idiotic rantards need to leave...not a player that committed his next 4 years to a school....gtfo rantatrds
Really? I'm not saying Harris is going to transfer because he does seem committed to LSU. That being said, let's not act like players don't ever transfer. That is especially true for QBs.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:48 am to Mulat
No offensive pun taken. If he were my son, I probably would have raised cane about him even going to LSU, knowing Miles' reputation with QB's. I would not blame him at all if he were to transfer depending on how spring practice turns out. I would not advise him to transfer because, being the selfish Tiger fan that I am, I'd be worried that he might take it to heart and do it. Then what are we stuck with? Miles with Jennings and NO backup at all.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:52 am to sosimpo1
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The thing that really irks me about the entire Auburn game is the team had basically 2 weeks to prep Harris for that start. Why in the world Les Miles didn't take the opportunity to get Harris comfortable, in a game setting no less, is beyond comprehension.
Is it possible that he did have 2 weeks to prep, and the outcome was still the same because.....whelp he's a true freshman?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:55 am to tigerborderjumper
quote:I hear he doesn't start true freshmen who don't take the position seriously and put in the work.
If he were my son, I probably would have raised cane about him even going to LSU, knowing Miles' reputation with QB's
quote:Once again, you would advise him to transfer yet he admitted himself he needed to work harder. You wouldn't advise him to work harder and see where that got him?
I would not advise him to transfer
I know, I know, it is always someone elses fault, make sure to teach your imaginary son that too!
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:06 am to LNCHBOX
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Have you watched any number of "freshman" QBs lately including some Hiesman winners? Yea, that's certainly the norm, which is why it has been done precisely twice... ever.
Those were RS freshman. Harris is a rookie.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:10 am to tigerfoot
If you would read and not just assume, you would see that I mentioned depending on how spring practice turned out. That just might be a clue that I would like for him to try to make it work. I've heard the various rumors and consider them to be rumors until some facts turn up. I did not "blame someone else" but simply referred to Miles' history with QB's, which is a known fact. 
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:16 am to easy money
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Neither is good enough now
You don't know that. All you know is that Miles and Cam says that Jennings provides the best chance to win.
Tennessee head coach was saying the same thing when the veteran Worley was making the offense about as stale as week old bread. He got hurt, and they put in Peterman. It took all of a quarter before they swapped him out with Dobbs. Dobbs, the guy they say was third 3rd string based on his practice play. Look at what he has done since then. Breathed new life into the offense.
Same with Treon Harris and Driskel. Muschamp realized that he couldn't keep throwing Driskel in there to frick up the game away. While Harris hasn't lighten it up, he has opened up that once stagnant and dead offense (he is injured now though).
Then we go to Kyle Allen. After the third straight loss, Sumlin had, had enough and put in Allen, who has raised that offense back to what it should be.
True freshman Brad Kaaya started over 5th year senior Jake Heaps who transferred from Kansas, Kevin Olsen (who has since been dismissed), and 5th year senior Ryan Williams, who had been at Miami the last 4 years. They let him struggle early (10 TDs 7 ints the first four games against teams like Florida A&M and Arkansas St) but has since thrown 13 TDs to 4 ints over the past 7 (all conference games).
Next we have Deshaun Watson who had beaten out 5th year senior Cole Stoudt and Chad Kelly (the now JUCO guy LSU might be interested in) and he looked real good until he got injured. After watching Cole Stoudt, we see that the true freshman was indeed better.
We have seen all these true freshman (Dobbs withstanding) play over these guys with tons of experience because the more experienced guys, were 1, more limited, and 2 weren't good.
Using these as examples, how in the hell is Miles/Cameron, the only ones so freaking hesitant or frightened to play the other guy? I mean not even trying now. It's unexplainable.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:29 am to BeeFense5
So after watching Jennings regress to what we saw in the Ark game, you think Harris should just sit around and keep fighting it out huh? Why? The kid said he knows everything that is required of him. He is the more talented player. Name one school where he would either a) not be the starter by this point or b) at least be given every chance to win the job with in game play?
You can be a fan of the team/school and still admit when things are headed south. I hope that they can get it turned around. I would love it if Jennings could get it figured out. That means LSU would win more games. That said, I doubt either of those happen anytime soon.
You can be a fan of the team/school and still admit when things are headed south. I hope that they can get it turned around. I would love it if Jennings could get it figured out. That means LSU would win more games. That said, I doubt either of those happen anytime soon.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:33 am to MightyYat
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There's no way to know. Would we have gotten MSU Harris or Auburn Harris?
I was all for Jennings week one, but you are being silly now. All of this is in hindsight, but already seeing flashes of greatness in a couple of games, leads me to believe that Harris, no matter how much he struggled the first 5-6 games, would have been waaaay better than what we are trotting out now.
10/21 112 yards 1 TD, -8 rush yards
7/14 120 yards 1 TD, 40 rush yards
8/16 142 yards 1 TD 2 ints, 2 rush yards
8/26 76 yards 1 TD 1 int,
12/22 86 yards 1 fumble, 8 rush yards (actually 35, but the bad snap by Porter goes on his stat sheet)
Are you freaking serious? Could Harris not do just as good as this? I mean Jennings has turned the ball over four times in the last 3 games.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:34 am to CheerWhine
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I'm in the "play Harris" camp, but not in the "Harris should transfer because he's not starting as a true freshman" camp. Even though he's not getting playing time this year, I think he'll get his chance in the offseason.
This is how I feel.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 12:50 pm to Datbayoubengal
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I was all for Jennings week one, but you are being silly now. All of this is in hindsight, but already seeing flashes of greatness in a couple of games, leads me to believe that Harris, no matter how much he struggled the first 5-6 games, would have been waaaay better than what we are trotting out now.
10/21 112 yards 1 TD, -8 rush yards
7/14 120 yards 1 TD, 40 rush yards
8/16 142 yards 1 TD 2 ints, 2 rush yards
8/26 76 yards 1 TD 1 int,
12/22 86 yards 1 fumble, 8 rush yards (actually 35, but the bad snap by Porter goes on his stat sheet)
Are you freaking serious? Could Harris not do just as good as this? I mean Jennings has turned the ball over four times in the last 3 games.
I don't know what's so hard to understand for some of you. Harris isn't ready to lead the team. Again today it was mentioned by Hanagriff that Harris has trouble just getting the plays to the team in the huddle. He said that it's something they worked on a lot in the off week. Believe it or not this coaching staff doesn't want to have shitty QB play.
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