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re: BRPD has a great retirement benefit.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:28 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:28 pm to FightinTigersDammit
What would the OT be happy with? Cops can only get 500 a month because we hate cops and they only deserve to live on piss and shite till they die. Dog killers and inspection ticket writers deserve to die I their own shite because that's what they deserve.
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:29 pm to gaetti15
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they take the average of the last three years salary then use that as what you get as a stipend...
When you're on DROP, you're basically retired, yet continue to work at your current salary. Your retirement pay goes into an account that draws interest, which allows you to draw upon this after retirement. However, your final retirement benefit is based upon your years of service at the time you entered DROP.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:32 pm to North Texas Tiger
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What would the OT be happy with? Cops can only get 500 a month because we hate cops and they only deserve to live on piss and shite till they die. Dog killers and inspection ticket writers deserve to die I their own shite because that's what they deserve.
Govt employees at all levels, including cops, should have a similar retirement to private sector employees.
There was a time that working for the govt, your pay was less than the private sector, so having a better retirement made up for it. That isn't true anymore.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:35 pm to kywildcatfanone
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There was a time that working for the govt, your pay was less than the private sector, so having a better retirement made up for it. That isn't true anymore.
definitely
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:36 pm to North Texas Tiger
I wouldn't want that. I would want people who have the option of retirement to be able to get out what they put into a system designed for care after their working days are over. However, I think that programs like DROP are still too young to be left alone. Tweaks will need to be made to the system so that loopholes cannot be exploited. But, the tweaks can only be made once the problems can be identified.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:37 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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When you're on DROP, you're basically retired, yet continue to work at your current salary. Your retirement pay goes into an account that draws interest, which allows you to draw upon this after retirement. However, your final retirement benefit is based upon your years of service at the time you entered DROP.
right, now I am remembering it...but at some point (drop or no drop) I'm pretty sure they average the last 3 years of your pay.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:39 pm to kywildcatfanone
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There was a time that working for the govt, your pay was less than the private sector, so having a better retirement made up for it. That isn't true anymore.
Yes it is, but somehow police officers have gotten on the gravy train with their retirement systems. I've been a civilian employee for the State Police for nearly 26 years, and I won't get NEAR the retirement benefits of the commissioned staff.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:39 pm to Saints72
My dad just retired from the BRPD about 2 years ago. He was 53 at the time and the most he made WITH overtime was just over 65k working over 70 hours/week. He worked there for 30 years, the last 5 being on DROP. He lives simply out in the country now in a small home that he paid for with his lump sum. He'll never get over 100k.
My point is that the advocate pulled what seems to me to be an extreme case where an officer is making a significant overtime per-hour salary that is not available to most. Also, without this type of retirement available my dad would not have been able to stop working until SS kicked in. He wouldn't have had the option.
Just thought I would give an example that is much more common and realistic. Flame away.
My point is that the advocate pulled what seems to me to be an extreme case where an officer is making a significant overtime per-hour salary that is not available to most. Also, without this type of retirement available my dad would not have been able to stop working until SS kicked in. He wouldn't have had the option.
Just thought I would give an example that is much more common and realistic. Flame away.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:42 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Govt employees at all levels, including cops, should have a similar retirement to private sector employees.
There was a time that working for the govt, your pay was less than the private sector, so having a better retirement made up for it. That isn't true anymore.
disagree, yes, in times past gov't employees sacrificed(term used very loosely,) pay that they could have made in private sector for guaranteed retirement, med benefits, colas, etc., for early retirement and lifetime pension, now they want they same pay for being hard to fire bureaucrats with gov't employee type of inefficiency and ridiculously stupid lifetime pension/med benefits
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:46 pm to ell_13
But without change this will happen more frequently. In California, the Orange County Register would regularly publish the names of CALTRANS retirees that were pulling in over $100K in retirement per year. The number of employees on that list never went down. It never goes down.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:48 pm to ell_13
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My point is that the advocate pulled what seems to me to be an extreme case where an officer is making a significant overtime per-hour salary that is not available to most. Also, without this type of retirement available my dad would not have been able to stop working until SS kicked in. He wouldn't have had the option.
Just thought I would give an example that is much more common and realistic. Flame away.
In that case, you should be glad for the Advocate's piece because either some bad apples are engaging in borderline (or outright) fraud or there's a good old boy system where a favored few are getting plum overtime assignments and pay and the correlating retirement benefits, leaving the rank and file like your dad out in the cold.
Of course, step 2 is getting the Baton Rouge citizenry as well as the BRPDs that are getting screwed outraged enough to investigate and demand change but that may be asking a bit too much.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:49 pm to McVick
It's a specific overtime that draws so much pay. Most of BRPD cops work extra at businesses around here (e.i. exxon and wal-mart).
If you take away their ability to count that money, they won't be able to retire until well beyond 60. Some work that long anyway, but it wouldn't even be an option to any of them because their base pay is so low (compared to other equal-sized forces).
If you take away their ability to count that money, they won't be able to retire until well beyond 60. Some work that long anyway, but it wouldn't even be an option to any of them because their base pay is so low (compared to other equal-sized forces).
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:51 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:I don't have anything against the advocate's story. I was mostly posting because I was seeing a lot of "frick cops and all the money they're making" type of ignorant responses.
In that case, you should be glad for the Advocate's piece because either some bad apples are engaging in borderline (or outright) fraud or there's a good old boy system where a favored few are getting plum overtime assignments and pay and the correlating retirement benefits, leaving the rank and file like your dad out in the cold.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:55 pm to ell_13
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My point is that the advocate pulled what seems to me to be an extreme case where an officer is making a significant overtime per-hour salary that is not available to most.
Caroline Moses at WAFB did this a few years ago with and LSP trooper. What she failed to mention is that this trooper worked LSU and Saints games during the year, which are off-duty and are paid by LSU and the Saints respectively, and escort details which are paid for by the company using the escort services. Also, anytime you see a trooper/officer at a construction site sitting there with their lights flashing it is off-duty extra duty and is being paid for by the road construction company.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:55 pm to ell_13
Personally, I know that stories like that that get printed are the exception, not the rule.
I do think changes need to be made to govt employees retirement to make it more equitable with private sector employees though.
I do think changes need to be made to govt employees retirement to make it more equitable with private sector employees though.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:00 pm to ell_13
One problem is that the system is designed to work for BRPD, BRFD, DPW, Mosquito Abatement, Clerk of Courts, EBRPL, Department of Social Services, Human Resources, and everyone else that works for East Baton Rouge Parish. The rules are the same for such a diverse population of employees (police, cafeteria workers, animal control) that we cannot determine who should get what in a fair manner.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:00 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:I'm less familiar with the comparisons between the two. I know what his retirement is and I know what mine and my wife's is.
I do think changes need to be made to govt employees retirement to make it more equitable with private sector employees though.
But in general, that seems like a whole different discussion than what's going on here.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:13 pm to Fat and Happy
Cops shouldn't even sniff 75k a year. 50k a year would be generous.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:15 pm to bmy
quote:When they work 40 hours a week, they don't.
Cops shouldn't even sniff 75k a year.
quote:In BR, it sure would be.
50k a year would be generous.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:28 pm to tigercross
That "frick boy" is a workhorse and a good human being.
FYI A lot of his pay comes from a grant.
FYI A lot of his pay comes from a grant.
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