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re: Pelicans 106 @ Kings 100 / Final / Official Game Thread / PELS WIN!
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:04 am to CQQ
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:04 am to CQQ
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Props to Monty but he has a long way to go
We have played 1 bad 3rd quarter all season. That says something about coaching. Also the defensive rotations were on point last night, and that continued tonight.
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:15 am to touchdownjeebus
You are right. Offense is what stands out. I love Reke but I think he needs to be held in check. EG needs more touches. Ball movement has been pretty good overall, though.
I'm fickle on Monty. I just don't think hes the long term solution for this team. That may not be fair considering the injuries. Regardless, assuming we stay healthy, it's playoffs or bust for him, especially if he has the MVP and DPOTY.
I'm fickle on Monty. I just don't think hes the long term solution for this team. That may not be fair considering the injuries. Regardless, assuming we stay healthy, it's playoffs or bust for him, especially if he has the MVP and DPOTY.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:50 am to CQQ
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You are right. Offense is what stands out. I love Reke but I think he needs to be held in check. EG needs more touches. Ball movement has been pretty good overall, though.
As bad as Tyreke has been he's improving. He used to NEVER pass on the break, in the last 4 games he's found AD at least once per game, but everyone focuses on the one time last night where he looked bad because he didn't. On the replay he had a defender between him and AD cutting off potential passes, although he still should have lobbed it IMO. Then once the 5 minute mark hit he almost had 3 straight assists, AD missed that hook, he pulled the ball back out on a fast break where he didn't have numbers, and he was effective drawing fouls or hitting tough shots when he did go Kamikaze. Probably the only thing that looked bad was the possession where the 2 man game with Ryno wasn't working.
I'm not saying he's perfect just that he appears to be learning. When his finishing rate regresses to the mean and he stops blowing as many layups he'll go back to being the guy we were all upset that Monty wasn't playing enough. I also think he misses Asik, that dump off was his safety valve.
Monty does need to get a handle on Tyreke, but it does look like he's working on it.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:52 am to TigerinATL
Great win for the Pelicans. Slowly improving in areas which is pretty nice for being 10 games in. We all were hoping for 10-10 or 11-9 record after 20 games. Looks good guys.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:51 am to BayouBengal0505
Good win for the Pels! 
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:06 am to JayJay2
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Only when we lose, right thesexecutioner?
Um no. I thought he coached another poor game as usual. We played worse than we did last night. We won because Cousins only played 34 minutes to AD's 41 and Sacramento had a ridiculous amount of unforced turnovers.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:23 am to TheSexecutioner
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We played worse than we did last night.
One thing I couldn't figure out is how the perimeter defense looked so good vs. Portland but pretty bad vs. Sacramento. We let Omri Casspi look like Tyreke with his penetration. I'm not sure if it was a matchup issue or they were just tired from the back to back to recapture that level of intensity.
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I thought he coached another poor game as usual...We won because Cousins only played 34 minutes to AD's 41 and Sacramento had a ridiculous amount of unforced turnovers.
We won because of our 3rd quarter surge and Tyreke/Jrue playing more team ball down the stretch of this game. Fixing one of the biggest knocks against him last year, the 3rd quarter blues, and fixing one of the biggest problems from the loss the night before should count for something. I'm not calling for him to be coach of the year or even coach of the team next year, but I continue to see people focus on the negative while completely dismissing any positive developments as irrelevant to the evaluation of players/coaches.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
I've been very impressed with the 3rd quarter turnaround this season.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:31 am to Epic Cajun
Is it a small sample size fluke that will correct itself, or did Monty really learn some things at summer camp this year?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:38 am to TigerinATL
We've already had more "good" third quarters this season than we did all last season 
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:39 am to TigerinATL
Monty just has to continue to avoid putting terrible lineups on the floor for stretches. 1 of Reke/Jrue/EG at min needs to be on the floor at all times. 1 of AD/Ryno/Asik needs to be on the floor at all times. If only 1 of the core guards is on the floor then 2 of the core bigs should be on the floor and vice versa.
This should be attainable as long as 5 of the core 6 above are healthy and available.
There is absolutely no reason to have a lineup of Rivers, Jimmer, Babbit, and Ajincia on the floor together unless we have 3 of our top 6 unavailable.
This should be attainable as long as 5 of the core 6 above are healthy and available.
There is absolutely no reason to have a lineup of Rivers, Jimmer, Babbit, and Ajincia on the floor together unless we have 3 of our top 6 unavailable.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:42 am to STEVED00
Two of the bigs should be on the floor at all times, along with 1 of the guards.
Barring injury, of course.
Barring injury, of course.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:47 am to STEVED00
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Monty just has to continue to avoid putting terrible lineups on the floor for stretches. 1 of Reke/Jrue/EG at min needs to be on the floor at all times. 1 of AD/Ryno/Asik needs to be on the floor at all times. If only 1 of the core guards is on the floor then 2 of the core bigs should be on the floor and vice versa.
Hopefully we're seeing improvement there too. Before Asik's back trouble he had been pretty good sticking with a 3 big rotation. The past few games I've started to notice some stagger in the guards. We saw it with Gordon last night and versus Portland Jrue was on the court while Gordon and Tyreke rested.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
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Is it a small sample size fluke that will correct itself, or did Monty really learn some things at summer camp this year?
Something to consider is that Davis has pretty much been playing the whole 3rd quarter. Often times when other teams star players are getting a break. If Davis came out with 5 minutes left in the 3rd and then played the whole 4th, I think we wouldn't be having so much success in the 3rd.
I don't things should be looked at by quarter as much as by rotation. So our starters vs their starters, our starters vs their bench, their starters vs our bench, and bench vs bench.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:15 am to Epic Cajun
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Two of the bigs should be on the floor at all times, along with 1 of the guards.
Barring injury, of course.
absolutely. We don't need Ryno playing the 3. AD plays 36, Ryno plays 32, and Asik plays 28. No reason for anyone to touch the floor if those guys are all healthy. The rotation just works out such that its never necessary and Ajinca or Witheys first fresh minutes aren't as valuable as Ryno and Asiks last tired minutes. Screw foul trouble. If someone fouls out, they foul out.
Once you have that, at least one of the 3 guards needs to be in at all times. If you could always have 3 legit players in, we wouldn't go through stretches of just getting dominated and we might be able to dominate teams who aren't able to field an NBA caliber rotation throughout the whole game.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:18 am to TheSexecutioner
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Something to consider is that Davis has pretty much been playing the whole 3rd quarter.
Well if finding the right rotation stagger leads to more victories then good for Monty. That's the kind of thing he needs to do to keep his job.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
Monty still has thrown terrible lineups out there to end quarters (2 mins or less is still inexcusable) bc it always ends up in a run by other team which causes a momentum swing.
Also IMO, asking AD to play 40+mpg isnt asking too much of a 21 yr old super star. I can see limiting his mins to under 40 on back to backs but when he has a rest day after let him play.
Also IMO, asking AD to play 40+mpg isnt asking too much of a 21 yr old super star. I can see limiting his mins to under 40 on back to backs but when he has a rest day after let him play.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:12 pm
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